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2013-05-04 14:53:32 : <fredskuentz> Greetings Legal Entities
2013-05-04 15:00:19 : <sean> hey, Fred
2013-05-04 15:00:26 : <sean> .weather 40601
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2013-05-04 15:53:13 : <fredskuentz> !weather 85018
2013-05-04 15:53:16 : <HAL9000> Weather info for Camelhead, Phoenix, Arizona (updated on 8:53 AM MST on May 04, 2013) -- Temperature: 78.8°F / 26.0°C -- Humidity: 15% -- Dew Point: 26°F / -3°C -- Wind: ENE at 2.2 mph / 3.5 km/h -- Wind Gust: 5.6 mph / 9.0 km/h -- Pressure: 29.70 in / 1006 hPa (Steady) -- Conditions: Mostly Cloudy -- Visibility: 10.0 miles / 16.1 kilometers -- UV: 1 out of 16 -- Clouds: (FEW) : 15000 ft / 4572 m
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2013-05-04 16:11:35 : <sean> princess lea is about to blow up the blues brothers.
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2013-05-04 17:17:06 : <senax> Quiet so far today?
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2013-05-04 17:24:12 : <Lensman> Hi NickE
2013-05-04 17:25:59 : <senax> Lensman, going to ConQuest this month?
2013-05-04 17:26:42 : <Lensman> Nope. For the first time ever, I'm skipping ConQuesT.
2013-05-04 17:26:52 : <sean> princess leia just opened fire on the blues brothers with an M-16
2013-05-04 17:27:33 : <senax> Hmmâ€¦I'll be going for the first time, actually.
2013-05-04 17:27:48 : <Lensman> My favorite scene in the movie. Belushi's laundry list of excuses is classic!
2013-05-04 17:28:26 : <sean> and now the 106 mile long car chase and I need to make a beer run.
2013-05-04 17:28:36 : <Lensman> senax: So what city do you live in?
2013-05-04 17:29:25 : <senax> Omaha. The only cons I attend semi-regularly are Icon and DemiCon in Iowa.
2013-05-04 17:30:05 : <Lensman> I went to DemiCon once, many years ago. Not sure I've ever been to Icon. Probably not.
2013-05-04 17:31:09 : <Lensman> But if you're at ConQuesT next year, likely we can meet up.
2013-05-04 17:31:29 : <NickE> back in a bit - dinner and Dr Who :-)
2013-05-04 17:31:59 : <senax> Depends on how I like it this year. What sort of con dos it tend to be?
2013-05-04 17:32:23 : <Lensman> Just saw the end of a "Rawhide" episode, for the first time, on AMC. Pretty good drama. Interesting to see Clint Eastwood in his early years.
2013-05-04 17:34:03 : <Lensman> ConQuesT's strength is its parties. Programming tends to be pretty much the same thing every year, unfortunately. We have a really top notch lady who runs the Masquerade, but we still don't get many entries. :(
2013-05-04 17:34:46 : <Lensman> But if late night partying is your forte, then ConQuesT is the place to be!
2013-05-04 17:36:16 : <Lensman> George R.R. Martin is one of the guests this year. Not the headliner, but we expect to get a significant attendance boost.
2013-05-04 17:36:29 : <senax> I like cons that have good parties, interesting panels, and vendors selling books. Not too big on media cons.
2013-05-04 17:38:03 : <Lensman> No, it's definitely not a media con. General SF con with emphasis on literary. We do have a really good dealer's room, especially if you collect books!
2013-05-04 17:39:20 : <Lensman> Anyway, I hope you enjoy ConQuesT!
2013-05-04 17:40:41 : <senax> Sounds like it's right up my alley. The trend these days seems to be for cons to be less literary and more about films and TV, much of it only distantly related to SF. If a con's big draw is actor guests, it's not the kind of con I like.
2013-05-04 17:43:01 : <Lensman> ConQuesT doesn't pay appearance fees... just a fairly small "per diem" gratuity... so we've never had a big-name actor as guest.
2013-05-04 17:45:34 : <senax> Cool. I haven't been to a con I'd call "literary" in yearsâ€¦maybe Marcon in Ohio. I don't buy as many books these days due to space constraints, but I'm always willing to grab a few if they're the *right* books!
2013-05-04 17:58:01 : <fredskuentz> I propose a drinking game
2013-05-04 17:58:21 : <fredskuentz> every time somebody asks Larry about the Syfy Ringworld mini-series
2013-05-04 17:58:23 : <fredskuentz> drink
2013-05-04 17:58:28 : <fredskuentz> every time he doesn't answer
2013-05-04 17:58:29 : <fredskuentz> drink
2013-05-04 17:58:36 : <fredskuentz> every time he says he can't answer
2013-05-04 17:58:38 : <fredskuentz> drink
2013-05-04 17:58:44 : <fredskuentz> every time he says he won't answer
2013-05-04 17:58:46 : <fredskuentz> drink
2013-05-04 17:58:51 : <fredskuentz> every time he says he doesn't know
2013-05-04 17:58:53 : <fredskuentz> drink
2013-05-04 17:59:36 : <andy> fredskuentz: I don't think that's a good idea...we'll all end up hospitalized!
2013-05-04 17:59:48 : <fredskuentz> hee hee
2013-05-04 18:00:01 : <sean> I have to hold off on the drinking till the derby party
2013-05-04 18:00:02 : <fredskuentz> every time he gives us a good answer with solid information ...
2013-05-04 18:00:05 : <fredskuentz> well, that's not going to happen
2013-05-04 18:02:02 : <fredskuentz> speaking of Star Trek
2013-05-04 18:02:19 : <fredskuentz> anybody else annoyed at the ads with Kirk telling Sulu to 'punch it'?
2013-05-04 18:02:30 : <fredskuentz> wrong franchise you dimwits!
2013-05-04 18:03:07 : <sean> yeah, that was Han to Chewie, wasnt it?
2013-05-04 18:03:30 : <andy> Not really...but I record almost all of my TV before watching them so that I can fast forward through the commercials.
2013-05-04 18:04:48 : <fredskuentz> yeah, it's star wars
2013-05-04 18:05:00 : <fredskuentz> at least Abrams is off the Trek franchise now
2013-05-04 18:06:56 : <Lensman> I can do that drinking game. Of course, I'll be drinking ice water.
2013-05-04 18:07:02 : <Lensman> :)
2013-05-04 18:07:24 : <fredskuentz> It's summer in arizona for the next 9 months. I've got an ice water IV.
2013-05-04 18:08:38 : <Lensman> I've seen the commercial just once, but frankly the line from "Star Wars" didn't stick in my mind.
2013-05-04 18:09:12 : <fredskuentz> I heard 'punch it' and looked up expecting to see Han
2013-05-04 18:09:43 : <Lensman> Let's hope whoever is replacing Abrams will give us a story that isn't annoying for everyone who is scientifically literate and hasn't had a lobotomy.
2013-05-04 18:10:06 : <fredskuentz> well, for that they need to fire Orci
2013-05-04 18:10:50 : <fredskuentz> hopefully he'll go with Abrams
2013-05-04 18:11:42 : <Lensman> Actually it's not the science-made-stupid in "Star Trek" 2009? 2010? ...that is really annoying. After all, science-made-stupid is a staple of all too much Trek. What's really annoying is all the things people do in the film that don't make any sense at all.
2013-05-04 18:12:03 : <Lensman> Why does Spock sit around in his snow cave until Kirk shows up, if he knows where the Federation outpost is?
2013-05-04 18:12:25 : <Lensman> Why does the villain whose planet was destroyed go back in time... and then not save his planet?
2013-05-04 18:13:03 : <fredskuentz> well, I have trouble with the SuperDuperNova that propogates trans light and takes out one planet in the romulan system but not the ohter
2013-05-04 18:13:14 : <fredskuentz> yeah, Why is Nero mad at Kirk at all?
2013-05-04 18:13:19 : <Lensman> I do demand that actions have reasonable motives in my fiction.
2013-05-04 18:13:23 : <fredskuentz> And why doesn't he just fix shit?
2013-05-04 18:13:59 : <fredskuentz> in fact, why is he mad at Spock?
2013-05-04 18:14:53 : <Lensman> He's mad at Spock because Spock didn't try hard enough to save his planet! Okay, if you assume he's batsh*t crazy, that may be a motive...
2013-05-04 18:15:00 : <fredskuentz> how is that snow cave that Spock's sitting around in, that's on the edge of the galaxy, have a view of Vulcan?
2013-05-04 18:16:04 : <Lensman> Still doesn't explain why someone who was motivated by the destruction of his planet to go back in time... then made no effort to save his planet! Even for a crazy person, makes no sense.
2013-05-04 18:17:10 : <Lensman> Not sure. Did Nero set up a viewer so Spock could witness the desctruction of Vulcan? That would fit Nero's actions.
2013-05-04 18:17:22 : <fredskuentz> if so they forgot to mention it
2013-05-04 18:17:31 : <fredskuentz> apparently Delta Vega is a moon of Vulcan
2013-05-04 18:18:12 : <fredskuentz> Yeah, Nero's actions don't make any sense, even adjusting for 'batshit crazy'
2013-05-04 18:18:32 : <fredskuentz> he needs to be some religious zealot who worships time travel only for vengeance
2013-05-04 18:18:37 : <fredskuentz> and never for personal gain
2013-05-04 18:22:43 : <Lensman> Better storytelling would have had Nero trying several times to save his planet and failing, then Spock noting logically that Romulus surviving was a low-probability event... and -then- Nero going totally crazy and destroying the planet of (from his POV) that sanctimonious, emotionless jerk!
2013-05-04 18:24:19 : <Lensman> I also was annoyed at the pulling-it-out-of-my-back-pocket "red matter". There is a right way to do that; Trek III did it right with "protomatter". There was no background or explanation for "red matter" it was just thrown out there and we were expected to swallow it.
2013-05-04 18:26:41 : <fredskuentz> and Nero's incredible mining ship, like if the Romulan Empire had throwaway tech at that level they wouldn't be using it for military missions
2013-05-04 18:27:23 : <Lensman> So, at this point the Siffy Channel's "Ringworld" mini-series is just a proposal, right? Fred, you have experience with this. What does that mean for the chances it will actually go as far as principle photography? 10%? Worse?
2013-05-04 18:27:49 : <fredskuentz> no, it was announced as a real project
2013-05-04 18:27:51 : <fredskuentz> BUT
2013-05-04 18:28:08 : <fredskuentz> it was announced as a real project last time, too
2013-05-04 18:28:28 : <fredskuentz> last time it was one of a batch of about 7 or 8 projects announced at the same time
2013-05-04 18:28:33 : <Lensman> Principal photography. Duh.
2013-05-04 18:28:35 : <fredskuentz> IIRC, it's the only one that didn't happen
2013-05-04 18:28:54 : <fredskuentz> this time I think it was only part of a batch of two?
2013-05-04 18:29:13 : <fredskuentz> if it wasn't ringworld I'd say the odds were 99%
2013-05-04 18:29:24 : <Lensman> Well now you have me confused, because I thought "announced in 'Variety' " only resulted in an actual finished film about 5-10% of the time.
2013-05-04 18:29:27 : <fredskuentz> but since Ringworld's track record is 0%
2013-05-04 18:29:33 : <fredskuentz> I'll say 50/50
2013-05-04 18:29:50 : <fredskuentz> I believe this was a press release from Syfy?
2013-05-04 18:29:55 : <fredskuentz> "these are new shows were doing"
2013-05-04 18:30:07 : <fredskuentz> if so, that's almost 100%
2013-05-04 18:30:22 : <Lensman> Okay, so it's much more likely then. Glad I asked!
2013-05-04 18:32:14 : <senax> Considering the kind of stuff SyFy puts out, I think it might be better if they never did get their Ringworld project off the ground.
2013-05-04 18:32:24 : <fredskuentz> Okay, I looked it up
2013-05-04 18:32:34 : <fredskuentz> Not Variety, Entertainment Weekly
2013-05-04 18:32:45 : <fredskuentz> and it was an announcement of an announcement
2013-05-04 18:32:46 : <fredskuentz> by Syfy
2013-05-04 18:33:10 : <fredskuentz> "The projects will be announced at Syfyâ€™s upfront presentation in New York City today. Ringworld is a co-production of MGM TV and Universal Cable Productions"
2013-05-04 18:33:17 : <fredskuentz> I'd say that's as real as it gets
2013-05-04 18:33:40 : <fredskuentz> Except for Ringworld itself having a 100% track record of not materializing at Syfy :D
2013-05-04 18:33:42 : <Lensman> senax: Most or all of us hardcore Niven fans look with more trepidation than anticipation at the project. But Larry said he'd rather see a bad adaptation than no adaptation at all. So I'm trying to look at this in a positive light.
2013-05-04 18:33:51 : <fredskuentz> yes
2013-05-04 18:34:05 : <Lensman> Not saying I'm succeeding... but trying.
2013-05-04 18:34:54 : <Lensman> We can hope for something as good as their "Dune" miniseries... and not something as abysmal and far from the source material as their "Riverworld". *ptui*
2013-05-04 18:36:01 : <fredskuentz> at least they got the refined metal and horses right in riverworld
2013-05-04 18:36:01 : <senax> Exactly what I was thinkingâ€¦The Dune series were good, but that was a long time ago. Have they done anything similar lately?
2013-05-04 18:36:17 : <fredskuentz> Defiance
2013-05-04 18:36:17 : <fredskuentz> :D
2013-05-04 18:36:43 : <senax> I've been thinking of giving Defiance a try...
2013-05-04 18:36:45 : <sean> Riverworld sucked instantly. where did the horses come from?
2013-05-04 18:37:11 : <fredskuentz> When Ringworld was announced a month ago, I was asked if I thought there was any chance of Syfy doing Ringworld right
2013-05-04 18:37:25 : <fredskuentz> my considered answer was "No. Not even if they put me in charge of it."
2013-05-04 18:37:35 : <Lensman> LOL! Yeah, horses on Riverworld. And they basically ignored the fact there is no metal -to- refine by saying that somebody had dug up a metal meteorite a few months back. Well that does happen in the books... but it's a major event when it does, and even after that, metal is not used casually as it is in the Siffy channel's treatment.
2013-05-04 18:38:07 : <fredskuentz> And at least the hero woke up for the first time decades after everybody else
2013-05-04 18:38:29 : <senax> When I read a summary of the Defiance pilot, I thought it sounded more like a setup for an MMO gem than a TV series. Turns out, yep...
2013-05-04 18:38:59 : <fredskuentz> I gave up on Defiance when I saw the hole in the St Louis arch, just like the one in Revolution
2013-05-04 18:39:12 : <fredskuentz> as if the damn thing would keep standing
2013-05-04 18:39:34 : <fredskuentz> I'm told they went in and sort of fixed it, and now its got some girders left spanning the gap
2013-05-04 18:39:38 : <fredskuentz> too little, too late
2013-05-04 18:39:43 : <Lensman> senax: "Defiance" is watchable. Unfortunately after a really interesting pilot it's settled down to something a lot closer to "misunderstood teen in a frontier town with strange characters" than the pilot indicated.
2013-05-04 18:39:52 : <Lensman> Watchable, not great.
2013-05-04 18:39:54 : <senax> So originally it was an actual gap in the arch?
2013-05-04 18:39:57 : <fredskuentz> yep
2013-05-04 18:40:03 : <fredskuentz> big honking hole
2013-05-04 18:40:14 : <fredskuentz> in the exact same spot as the one in Revolution
2013-05-04 18:40:58 : <senax> I'm not familiar with Revolution. Were any of the same people behind the projects? Recycled effects?
2013-05-04 18:41:11 : <fredskuentz> http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-3xU-9uZRhrQ/UW_4C-9DXjI/AAAAAAAAAqU/y5ohiG8vdUU/s1600/DefianceArch.png
2013-05-04 18:41:21 : <fredskuentz> they're both NBC
2013-05-04 18:42:31 : <Lensman> The odd thing is that "old St. Louis" is buried in caverns underground, so that arch is something recently built in the series. And the landscape doesn't look anything like St. Louis. Quite mountainous. But at least their backstory explains that, however implausible it is.
2013-05-04 18:43:22 : <Lensman> I don't have any problem with "arch with a hole in it" if they're using advanced building materials.
2013-05-04 18:43:28 : <senax> I heard something about magic terraforming tech being responsible for the mountains.
2013-05-04 18:43:29 : <fredskuentz> no, that's the original arch
2013-05-04 18:43:39 : <fredskuentz> with the base under 150 feet of dirt
2013-05-04 18:43:43 : <fredskuentz> that's what the creators said
2013-05-04 18:44:06 : <Lensman> Yeah, it might as well be magic. Definitely a case of "A sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
2013-05-04 18:44:08 : <fredskuentz> I watched a series of 'making of' specials on OnDEMAND
2013-05-04 18:44:30 : <Lensman> They described the land curling up and over to cover Old St. Louis in vast underground caverns.
2013-05-04 18:44:47 : <fredskuentz> RAT has an argument going on if you get to use the word 'terraform' if you're making it LESS Earthlike :D
2013-05-04 18:44:52 : <Lensman> As part of the alien (anti-)terraforming.
2013-05-04 18:45:28 : <Lensman> Geoforming? Xenogeoforming?
2013-05-04 18:45:56 : <fredskuentz> Here's the arch in REVOLUTION
2013-05-04 18:45:57 : <fredskuentz> http://i.imgur.com/zgHP6.png
2013-05-04 18:46:15 : <fredskuentz> Where the hole makes even LESS sense
2013-05-04 18:46:22 : <Lensman> I thought perhaps it was based on a game, but one of my friends said the game is based on the treatment for the TV show. So that's wrong?
2013-05-04 18:46:23 : <fredskuentz> I mean, what caused it?
2013-05-04 18:46:41 : <fredskuentz> the game and the show are simultaneous
2013-05-04 18:46:47 : <fredskuentz> you're supposed to watch and play
2013-05-04 18:46:50 : <Lensman> Fred: What makes you say that's the original arch? The land around it is nothing like.
2013-05-04 18:46:59 : <fredskuentz> lens, that's what they said
2013-05-04 18:47:05 : <fredskuentz> they said it's the original arch
2013-05-04 18:47:18 : <fredskuentz> with 150 feet of dirt on the base
2013-05-04 18:47:24 : <Lensman> Well, perhaps that's a local myth. :)
2013-05-04 18:47:34 : <fredskuentz> no, that's what the show's creators said
2013-05-04 18:47:44 : <fredskuentz> on the behind the scenes making of specials
2013-05-04 18:47:54 : <fredskuentz> that convinced me not to watch the show :D
2013-05-04 18:47:54 : <Lensman> And Prill's people built the Ringworld, too. :)
2013-05-04 18:48:19 : <senax> Fred, if it weren't for the gap in the arch, I'd have thought that was a recent shot from East St. Louis. :-)
2013-05-04 18:48:22 : <fredskuentz> Larry didn't say that
2013-05-04 18:48:25 : <fredskuentz> heh
2013-05-04 18:48:29 : <fredskuentz> Prill said that
2013-05-04 18:48:43 : <fredskuentz> what's funny to me is
2013-05-04 18:48:47 : <fredskuentz> the arch in DEFIANCE
2013-05-04 18:48:57 : <fredskuentz> seems to be taller than the arch in REVOLUTION
2013-05-04 18:49:11 : <fredskuentz> even though the DEFIANCE arch should be 150' *shorter*
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2013-05-04 18:49:21 : <fredskuentz> hey hip
2013-05-04 18:49:33 : <Hippy> Hi, Fred
2013-05-04 18:49:45 : <Lensman> That's my point. It can't be the original arch.
2013-05-04 18:49:50 : <Hippy> Oh, and I might as well, 'May the 4th be with you'
2013-05-04 18:50:08 : <Lensman> They just tell the rubes it's the original so they'll be impressed.
2013-05-04 18:50:29 : <fredskuentz> the st louis arch is only 600'
2013-05-04 18:50:34 : <Lensman> Like describing cow tipping to people. See if they'll swallow it.
2013-05-04 18:50:41 : <fredskuentz> 150' of burying would be a *lot*
2013-05-04 18:50:53 : <senax> "Camelot!" "It's only a model."
2013-05-04 18:50:58 : <fredskuentz> but as I said, this is what the creators said, behind the scenes
2013-05-04 18:51:03 : <Lensman> LOL
2013-05-04 18:51:09 : <fredskuentz> pale friendless virgins that they are
2013-05-04 18:51:19 : <Hippy> Hey!
2013-05-04 18:51:24 : <fredskuentz> so
2013-05-04 18:51:29 : <fredskuentz> here's my plan
2013-05-04 18:51:35 : <fredskuentz> we film ringworld
2013-05-04 18:51:39 : <Hippy> Is this the St Louis Arch we're talking about?
2013-05-04 18:51:41 : <Lensman> Speaking of "It's only a model"... "Spamalot" is coming to the Starlight at Kansas City, and I plan to go assuming the weather isn't beastly hot.
2013-05-04 18:51:46 : <fredskuentz> entirely under the st louis arch
2013-05-04 18:51:48 : <fredskuentz> at noon
2013-05-04 18:51:56 : <fredskuentz> from low angles
2013-05-04 18:52:00 : <fredskuentz> who's with me/
2013-05-04 18:52:02 : <fredskuentz> ?
2013-05-04 18:52:03 : <Lensman> Hippy: The St. Louis arch in "Defiance".
2013-05-04 18:52:08 : <fredskuentz> and REVOLUTION
2013-05-04 18:52:12 : <senax> You'd have a lot of random "extras" on the set.
2013-05-04 18:52:13 : <Hippy> Ah, okay
2013-05-04 18:52:35 : <Hippy> Yes, but theyu're the hominids - no, wiat
2013-05-04 18:52:42 : <fredskuentz> hence the low angles
2013-05-04 18:52:45 : <Hippy> Those bits can be saved for RE
2013-05-04 18:53:10 : <Hippy> However, if I win the Powerball tonight I'll put some money into the thing
2013-05-04 18:53:11 : <Lensman> Fred says the locals on "Defiance" say it's the original arch, despite it having a hole it in and therefore it should have collapsed. Also he says it's supposed to have 150' of the based buried underground.
2013-05-04 18:53:16 : <fredskuentz> NO
2013-05-04 18:53:21 : <fredskuentz> I never ever said that
2013-05-04 18:53:23 : <fredskuentz> never
2013-05-04 18:53:25 : <fredskuentz> EVER
2013-05-04 18:53:32 : <fredskuentz> quit saying I said that
2013-05-04 18:53:33 : <fredskuentz> NEVER
2013-05-04 18:53:34 : <fredskuentz> EVER
2013-05-04 18:53:36 : <fredskuentz> NOT ONCE
2013-05-04 18:53:39 : <Lensman> And the land around it is mountainous, looking nothing like St. Louis. So I say it can't possibly be the original arch, even if they tell visitors it is.
2013-05-04 18:53:49 : <fredskuentz> not in this or any other parallel dimension
2013-05-04 18:53:55 : <fredskuentz> have I *ever* said that
2013-05-04 18:54:01 : <fredskuentz> or anything remotely resembling that
2013-05-04 18:54:18 : <fredskuentz> I said the show's creators say it's the original arch
2013-05-04 18:54:31 : <fredskuentz> I've never watched the show
2013-05-04 18:54:32 : <senax> Are they counting the 60' of the base that has always been underground?
2013-05-04 18:54:44 : <fredskuentz> because I thought the creators were so galatcially stupid
2013-05-04 18:54:50 : <Hippy> This is a thirsty confab. Be right back
2013-05-04 18:54:59 : <fredskuentz> senax, they said it had 150' feet of dirt dumped on it
2013-05-04 18:55:04 : <fredskuentz> I assume that's additional
2013-05-04 18:55:12 : <Lensman> Calm down, Fred. I misunderstood, I wasn't attacking you.
2013-05-04 18:55:32 : <fredskuentz> the creators were so incredibly stupid
2013-05-04 18:55:42 : <fredskuentz> that they got me to NOT watch a show with Jaime Murray
2013-05-04 18:55:52 : <fredskuentz> this is an unheard of level of achievement
2013-05-04 18:56:14 : <Lensman> Anyway, I like my meme: "The locals just tell visitors it's the original to see if they'll swallow that tall tale."
2013-05-04 18:56:26 : <fredskuentz> it's like they were the bastard love children of Roberto Orci and Brannon Braga
2013-05-04 18:57:15 : <senax> Back in a little while.
2013-05-04 18:57:45 : <fredskuentz> so
2013-05-04 18:57:48 : <fredskuentz> hypothtical
2013-05-04 18:58:01 : <fredskuentz> say we're filming Ringworld
2013-05-04 18:58:10 : <fredskuentz> "We're filming Ringworld"
2013-05-04 18:58:22 : <fredskuentz> How do we do the noon lighting?
2013-05-04 18:58:22 : <Hippy> Okay. . .
2013-05-04 18:58:28 : <fredskuentz> Shoot it in, say, Brazil
2013-05-04 18:58:32 : <fredskuentz> for an hour a day?
2013-05-04 18:58:34 : <Hippy> In a studio
2013-05-04 18:58:37 : <fredskuentz> or all gr..
2013-05-04 18:58:38 : <fredskuentz> that one
2013-05-04 18:58:41 : <fredskuentz> what you said
2013-05-04 18:58:42 : <fredskuentz> :)
2013-05-04 18:58:43 : <Hippy> They have these grids
2013-05-04 18:59:03 : <fredskuentz> so we have like 2 scenes that aren't inside or on green screen
2013-05-04 18:59:04 : <andy> yeah, I think "in a studio" is probably the best (and probably cheapest) option
2013-05-04 18:59:12 : <fredskuentz> Earth, on Louis' lawn
2013-05-04 18:59:21 : <andy> there's going to have to be a lot of green screen work anyway
2013-05-04 18:59:27 : <fredskuentz> and the waterfall on the ringworld that's under a canopy of leaves
2013-05-04 18:59:34 : <fredskuentz> everything else is sound stage
2013-05-04 18:59:43 : <fredskuentz> it's like we're doing SANCTUARY
2013-05-04 18:59:55 : <fredskuentz> only, you know, hopefully not 'awful'
2013-05-04 18:59:56 : <fredskuentz> :D
2013-05-04 19:00:11 : <fredskuentz> next
2013-05-04 19:00:12 : <fredskuentz> Speaker
2013-05-04 19:00:16 : <Lensman> I can't see any practical way to shoot it and get the lighting right except using greenscreen for very nearly everything.
2013-05-04 19:00:20 : <fredskuentz> CGI, man in a suit or both?
2013-05-04 19:00:44 : <Lensman> Anthing at night or in shade could be filmed outdoors, tho.
2013-05-04 19:00:45 : <fredskuentz> a lot of people seem to want CGI
2013-05-04 19:00:46 : <Hippy> Man in a suit seems practical
2013-05-04 19:00:51 : <fredskuentz> I vote suit
2013-05-04 19:01:04 : <fredskuentz> night stuff still needs to be green screen Lens
2013-05-04 19:01:06 : <andy> probably motion capture for Speaker, like they did Gollum in LOTR and The Hobbit films
2013-05-04 19:01:10 : <fredskuentz> to put in the sky and arch
2013-05-04 19:01:14 : <Hippy> Every sky shot (just about) has to have the Arch in it, too
2013-05-04 19:01:25 : <fredskuentz> hair is what CGI does worst though
2013-05-04 19:01:28 : <fredskuentz> and, what Hippy said
2013-05-04 19:01:30 : "Dan" joined the channel.
2013-05-04 19:01:35 : <fredskuentz> hey dan
2013-05-04 19:01:45 : <Hippy> Actually, that would work - motion capture, but please not Andy Sirkis for the voice
2013-05-04 19:02:00 : <fredskuentz> I say put Shaq in a suit
2013-05-04 19:02:02 : <sean> hey dan... long time no talk. ;)
2013-05-04 19:02:02 : <Hippy> Hi, Dan
2013-05-04 19:02:09 : <fredskuentz> I've always found Chewbacca satisfactory
2013-05-04 19:02:36 : <Lensman> The way to do it is to hand the project to Peter Jackson, who will have an actor play the part on the set but overlay that with CGI. Obviously on the Siffy Channel's budget, that ain't gonna happen. So would bad CGI or a guy in a furry suit be better for Speaker? Maybe a combination of the two. Suit for closeups, CGI for walking.
2013-05-04 19:03:08 : <NickE> hi Dan
2013-05-04 19:03:11 : <fredskuentz> and instead of a 6'+ Louis and 8' Speaker, we'll scale 'em down a half a foot or foot or so :)
2013-05-04 19:03:16 : <Lensman> Chewy does not have legs like a cat.
2013-05-04 19:03:42 : <Hippy> Syfy would just make evreyone human anyway and solve the problem neatly. I watched 'Riverworld' as done by them and...urge to kill rising. . .
2013-05-04 19:03:45 : <andy> nor does Chewy have the...odd...torso physiology of a kzin.
2013-05-04 19:03:51 : <fredskuentz> yeah, we need CGI for both Speaker and Nessus walking
2013-05-04 19:04:06 : <fredskuentz> luckily neither of them walks enough to matter
2013-05-04 19:04:16 : <fredskuentz> Ringworld is like a Gerry Anderson show
2013-05-04 19:04:16 : "dmac44" joined the channel.
2013-05-04 19:04:24 : <dmac44> hi guys.
2013-05-04 19:04:26 : <Hippy> Hi, dmac
2013-05-04 19:04:30 : <andy> Hi Dan, hi dmac.
2013-05-04 19:04:35 : <fredskuentz> where the entire thing is spent choreographing scenes so the puppets don't have to walk
2013-05-04 19:04:40 : <fredskuentz> hey dmac
2013-05-04 19:04:43 : <Lensman> I can't even figure out -why- they would want to put horses in "Riverworld". Horses on set are expensive.
2013-05-04 19:04:48 : <Hippy> Andy, are you still in Tampa?
2013-05-04 19:04:51 : <fredskuentz> Lensman, yes
2013-05-04 19:04:58 : <fredskuentz> mini bikes would have made more sense
2013-05-04 19:05:13 : <fredskuentz> somebody wanted mediaeval
2013-05-04 19:05:33 : <Hippy> LOL, Fred
2013-05-04 19:05:37 : <andy> Hippy: Pretty much (across the bay in St Pete, actually, but it looks the same from far enough way)
2013-05-04 19:05:39 : <fredskuentz> one of the beauties of Riverworld is that most of it should be dirt cheap
2013-05-04 19:06:17 : <Hippy> Ah, good. I have to head out that way at some point to sort out my tax situation, so it might be a good time for a beer :)
2013-05-04 19:06:26 : <Hippy> I mean, as if there was any other kind of time
2013-05-04 19:06:32 : <Lensman> Other than The Fabulous Riverboat, yeah it should be cheap. Grass huts and everybody wearing towels.
2013-05-04 19:06:39 : <Dan> Well, a new copy of mIRC and I have to remember all my settings from the old copies, LOL!
2013-05-04 19:06:47 : <fredskuentz> now, this ould have worked
2013-05-04 19:06:48 : <fredskuentz> http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lo1klamdxZ1qly8keo1_250.gif
2013-05-04 19:07:15 : <fredskuentz> Lens, and the book in the alien tower
2013-05-04 19:07:26 : <andy> Hippy: Sounds good, we've been frequenting a place called The Ale and the Witch in downtown St Pete that's got 32 beers on tap.
2013-05-04 19:07:47 : <Lensman> Fred: Well yah, if they get that far in the story.
2013-05-04 19:07:48 : <Hippy> Woo hoo!!!
2013-05-04 19:08:30 : <Hippy> I doubt they will, This BluRay compressed the story into kitty litter and banged it in the shops
2013-05-04 19:08:31 : <Lensman> Okay, it's after noon in Marin County, where is Larry?
2013-05-04 19:08:40 : <Hippy> Seven bucks well spent
2013-05-04 19:09:35 : <sean> probably scared of a bazillion ringworld questions. ;)
2013-05-04 19:09:48 : <Lensman> LOL Could be.
2013-05-04 19:09:49 : <Dan> How close if the current California wildfire to Larry's house?
2013-05-04 19:09:51 : <fredskuentz> Okay, so we're shooting Ringworld on a stage, with guys in suits for close up and cgi for walking for both Speaker and Nessus
2013-05-04 19:10:04 : <Dan> if=is
2013-05-04 19:10:30 : <Hippy> Okay, Fred. And we've avioded any songs in it so far
2013-05-04 19:10:33 : <Lensman> And didn't they even replace Sir Richard Burton in the Siffy "Riverworld" with an American character? Bcause, you know, we 'Muricans can't identify with an Englishman.
2013-05-04 19:10:34 : <fredskuentz> heh
2013-05-04 19:10:43 : <fredskuentz> Lens, yes, both times
2013-05-04 19:10:48 : <fredskuentz> there are two Riverworld pilots
2013-05-04 19:10:56 : <fredskuentz> hey Mark
2013-05-04 19:11:07 : <Hippy> No, Burton was in there, but he was evil all of a sudden
2013-05-04 19:11:30 : <Hippy> Are there two? Perhaps I should hunt both out for completness' sake
2013-05-04 19:11:45 : <fredskuentz> there's a 2003 and a 2010 version
2013-05-04 19:11:57 : <fredskuentz> 2003 has an American astronaut instead of Burton
2013-05-04 19:11:58 : <Lensman> I remember they did show the POV character waking up before resurrection day... was that Burton or did they change it to another character?
2013-05-04 19:12:07 : <Hippy> Oh. . .I wonder which one I got? Probably the later one
2013-05-04 19:12:11 : <dmac44> Dan: Not sure exactly where Larry lives but I think the fire would have to jump highway 101. The winds are heading in his direction though so I wouldn't be surprised if he was getting smoke.
2013-05-04 19:12:31 : <Hippy> Another character, Lens
2013-05-04 19:12:34 : <Lensman> American astronaut. Thanks.
2013-05-04 19:12:36 : <Hippy> The 'Merican one
2013-05-04 19:12:37 : <fredskuentz> 2010 has Mentos from Highlander as Burton IIRC
2013-05-04 19:12:50 : <fredskuentz> But I don't think he's the protagonist
2013-05-04 19:13:03 : <andy> you mean Methos instead of Mentos, right?
2013-05-04 19:13:11 : <fredskuentz> The Freshmaker!
2013-05-04 19:14:01 : <Lensman> http://guertinscience.info/DietCokeMentos_files/image004.jpg
2013-05-04 19:14:12 : <fredskuentz> That's him!
2013-05-04 19:14:19 : <Lensman> :)
2013-05-04 19:15:04 : <fredskuentz> Larry Niven's RINGWORLD, brought to you by
2013-05-04 19:15:05 : <fredskuentz> http://images2.fanpop.com/images/forum/topics/7000/7737_1257990965290_full.jpg
2013-05-04 19:15:31 : <andy> I'm pretty sure that "Methos in Diet Coke" is a totally different experiment from "Mentos in Diet Coke"
2013-05-04 19:15:46 : <Lensman> Well, look at it this way: "Ringworld" will almost certainly be closer to the source material than "Riverworld", simply due to the odds.
2013-05-04 19:16:08 : <Hippy> LOL, Lens!
2013-05-04 19:16:12 : <fredskuentz> oh, no
2013-05-04 19:16:18 : <fredskuentz> you have SO fucking jinxed us
2013-05-04 19:16:33 : <fredskuentz> heavy gravity easter egg world jinxed us
2013-05-04 19:16:35 : <Lensman> Just call me Pollyanna.
2013-05-04 19:16:58 : <Hippy> ONly if you dres the part
2013-05-04 19:17:24 : <Lensman> I did drag once. I swore never again!
2013-05-04 19:17:48 : <fredskuentz> oh dear god
2013-05-04 19:17:52 : <Hippy> I doubt you wre the only one, Lens :)
2013-05-04 19:17:55 : <fredskuentz> reading the synopsis of ANT MAN
2013-05-04 19:18:05 : <fredskuentz> and ... they're doing the Ray Palmer ATOM
2013-05-04 19:18:06 : <fredskuentz> sigh
2013-05-04 19:18:16 : <fredskuentz> hopefully DC will sue and shut it all down
2013-05-04 19:18:41 : <fredskuentz> "Ant-Man is the superheroic alter-ego of Hank Pym, a brilliant scientist who dons a suit that gives him the ability to size-shift at will and wields technology that allows him to communicate with insects. Even though he can become as small as, well, an ant, he still maintains the weight and power of a full-sized person -- which means even a tiny punch bears a mighty force on a bad guy's mug."
2013-05-04 19:19:40 : <Hippy> Now that's science!~
2013-05-04 19:20:09 : <fredskuentz> Ant-man ... that's almost totally wrong
2013-05-04 19:20:17 : <fredskuentz> 'small' and 'communicate with insect'
2013-05-04 19:20:21 : <Lensman> I confess the whole meme of a superhero who could shrink to tiny size never appealed to me. Okay, so now you're really tiny. Other than sneaking into places you shouldn't be, where is the advantage? At least they gave the Atom the ability to retain his full mass, so when he punched someone in the jaw they would actually feel it.
2013-05-04 19:20:24 : <fredskuentz> other than that, that's the atom
2013-05-04 19:20:40 : <fredskuentz> the atom could also travel on electricity
2013-05-04 19:20:42 : <andy> wait, under those rules, is being smaller really more of an advantage than being bigger?
2013-05-04 19:20:48 : <fredskuentz> jump into a phone and come out the other side
2013-05-04 19:21:08 : <dmac44> Fred: cell phones? :)
2013-05-04 19:21:15 : <fredskuentz> I would assume so
2013-05-04 19:21:18 : <Dan> Not according to the animated versions. Ant-Man does retain the strength of a full-sized person, but his mass is stupidly variable.
2013-05-04 19:21:26 : <fredskuentz> argh
2013-05-04 19:22:30 : <Hippy> Also, communicating with insects. I mean, most ants are so boseesed with their horoscopes it's pointless talking to them
2013-05-04 19:22:36 : <fredskuentz> Ant-Man rode on ants
2013-05-04 19:22:44 : <Hippy> And the mantises are never off Facebook to talk
2013-05-04 19:22:48 : <fredskuentz> if he weighed 180 pounds
2013-05-04 19:22:49 : <Dan> Trouble is that Hank Pyn has so many different costumes & characters.
2013-05-04 19:22:52 : <fredskuentz> that would be a problem
2013-05-04 19:23:07 : <fredskuentz> hell, they FLEW on the back of ants
2013-05-04 19:23:18 : <Lensman> Hippy: that must be some really good sh*t you're smokin'!
2013-05-04 19:23:32 : <Dan> As I said, stupidly variable mass.
2013-05-04 19:23:44 : <Hippy> I do it all on Newcastle Brown Ale!
2013-05-04 19:24:26 : <Dan> Hippy, I could buythat in mini-kegs at one of the local grocery stores. :)
2013-05-04 19:25:13 : <Lensman> Actually if you could vary your mass by twisting a dial, that would be an interesting superpower! Like Star Man, maybe. But he could project the ability to make things heavier or lighter.
2013-05-04 19:25:18 : <Dan> I am beginning to hate the spacebar on this cheap keyboard, LOL! Sometimes I tap the spacebar, and it ignores me.
2013-05-04 19:25:32 : <Hippy> I saw one of Heineken the other day. Of course, I've thrown out my keg chiller, which I never got to use because they stopped selling the minikegs in Australia
2013-05-04 19:25:49 : <Lensman> DanjustrunallyourwordstogetherlikebeforeCarolingianEnglish.
2013-05-04 19:26:24 : <Hippy> Well done, Lens!
2013-05-04 19:26:25 : <Lensman> Makeswordwrapabitch,tho.
2013-05-04 19:26:40 : <Dan> Argh! My inner editor just shreeked, LOL!
2013-05-04 19:26:48 : <Lensman> :)
2013-05-04 19:27:07 : <Hippy> I tried to read it out loud, and suffered an embarrassing hernia
2013-05-04 19:27:45 : <Hippy> So I must hunt around for a keg chiller and then I can have a proper afternoon's IRC with no interruptions like this one
2013-05-04 19:27:57 : <Lensman> Reject the tyranny of standardized spelling and spacing between words!
reels to the fridge
2013-05-04 19:28:37 : <dmac44> Le nshas a gre atidea.
2013-05-04 19:29:25 : <Lensman> Heck, kids these days -are- rejecting standardized English. Especially when texting.
2013-05-04 19:29:36 : <Dan> Fortunately, as a dyslexic, I can still read that, LOL!
2013-05-04 19:30:12 : <dmac44> languages evolve, just much faster now.
2013-05-04 19:31:40 : <fredskuentz> did it always evolve to conform to laziness and ignorance though?
2013-05-04 19:31:46 : <fredskuentz> seems like it's more devolving
2013-05-04 19:31:55 : <Lensman> And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded.
2013-05-04 19:32:08 : <Lensman> And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.
2013-05-04 19:32:09 : <dmac44> fair enough.
2013-05-04 19:32:20 : <Lensman> Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.
2013-05-04 19:32:32 : <Lensman> So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.
2013-05-04 19:32:44 : <Lensman> Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.
2013-05-04 19:33:00 : <fredskuentz> apparently teachers are already revolting (certainly most of mine were, rim shot) over the cessation of the teaching of cursive writing
2013-05-04 19:33:09 : <Lensman> I'll bet not one Biblical scholar interpreted that as the Cell Tower of Babel.
2013-05-04 19:34:12 : <Hippy> Well, I have to say that it's more useful to type than to write cursively these days
2013-05-04 19:34:13 : <Dan> My wife and I text each other quite a lot when I'm at work. Neither of us use much "txtspk" when we do. Mostly "&" for "and" just to beat the 160 character limit.
2013-05-04 19:34:56 : <Hippy> I try to make my texts all properly spelt, but apparently 'spelt' isn't a word
2013-05-04 19:35:06 : <fredskuentz> Yeah, Twitter has much to answer for, for their 140 character limit
2013-05-04 19:35:46 : <Lensman> Past tenses using "t" instead of "ed" are fading from the language, becoming archaic.
2013-05-04 19:36:06 : <fredskuentz> so 'felt' becomes 'felled'
2013-05-04 19:36:09 : <Hippy> Yes, and which country's fault is that?????
2013-05-04 19:36:22 : <Dan> I'm not supposed to accept calls inside the building at work. If I get an actual phone call, I have to drop everything and go outside. But texts are a different matter. I can read and reply any time I'm not in the middle of doing something important.
2013-05-04 19:36:29 : <Hippy> 'Feeled', Fred
2013-05-04 19:36:48 : <Hippy> See, I'd've said that 'Fred' was actually 'Frt'
2013-05-04 19:37:34 : <Lensman> Yes, "felt" will likely be replaced with "feeled" in a generation or two.
rues that day
2013-05-04 19:38:01 : <Dan> Me too.
2013-05-04 19:38:19 : <dmac44> Hippy: Don't you mean rules?
2013-05-04 19:38:40 : <Hippy> Er. . .I hope not
2013-05-04 19:38:44 : <dmac44> lol
2013-05-04 19:38:52 : <Lensman> We already say "burned" instead of "burnt".
2013-05-04 19:39:02 : <Hippy> Yes, you do
2013-05-04 19:39:04 : <fredskuentz> lol becomes, what, loed?
2013-05-04 19:39:07 : <Hippy> 'Dreamed'
2013-05-04 19:39:17 : <Hippy> instead of 'dreamt'
2013-05-04 19:39:28 : <Lensman> Yup. Plenty of examples.
2013-05-04 19:39:33 : <dmac44> dreamt is still more poetic.
2013-05-04 19:39:34 : <Dan> I had enough trouble when "it's" was suddenly no longer both a contraction as well as the possessive.
2013-05-04 19:40:02 : <Hippy> I was pleast the other day to find 'friendlily' in some article. It's the logical adverb, but I"d never seen it before
2013-05-04 19:40:08 : <fredskuentz> the new rule is, an apostrophe means "look out! here comes an 's'!"
2013-05-04 19:40:33 : <Dan> :)
2013-05-04 19:40:39 : <Hippy> That'd be right
2013-05-04 19:40:43 : <Lensman> I have not given up on separating "its" from "it's" but even in supposedly professional publishing, it's often misused.
2013-05-04 19:40:57 : <Dan> Not to anyone who edits my work, it doesn't, LOL!
2013-05-04 19:40:57 : <dmac44> I stil haven't figured out its, it's and its'.
2013-05-04 19:41:09 : <fredskuentz> no, I've lost that ability
2013-05-04 19:41:12 : <Lensman> Problem is too many publishers are using spellcheck instead of proofreaders and copy-editors these days.
2013-05-04 19:41:18 : <fredskuentz> seeing it wrong every day
2013-05-04 19:41:38 : <fredskuentz> I can still do there, their, and they're, but I worry about them
2013-05-04 19:41:41 : <Lensman> its = belonging to it
2013-05-04 19:41:45 : <Lensman> it's = it is
2013-05-04 19:41:49 : <Hippy> Hang on. Its' - I'm just pondering where you would use that
2013-05-04 19:42:06 : <Dan> The one that bugs me the most if "then" & "than" being used wrongly.
2013-05-04 19:42:23 : <fredskuentz> the bird groomed its wing
2013-05-04 19:42:43 : <Hippy> Yes, but if there is an apsstrophe after the 's'?
2013-05-04 19:42:50 : <Lensman> Some things are just wrong. No matter how many times someone confuses "you're" with "your", it won't be right. I don't think dictionaries will accept mistakes as legitimate variations.
2013-05-04 19:43:06 : <fredskuentz> oh, I do
2013-05-04 19:43:25 : <fredskuentz> I think 'axe' will be in the dictionary for 'ask' soon, if it's not already
2013-05-04 19:43:28 : <Lensman> Hippy: that would be plural possessive... "their" instead of "its' "
2013-05-04 19:44:13 : <Lensman> It's likely in the "Urban Dictionary". :)
2013-05-04 19:44:21 : <Hippy> But how can you have plural possessive and not make it 'their'?
2013-05-04 19:45:01 : <Hippy> I can see it as a proper noun, I suppose" "The 'Its'' handbag."
2013-05-04 19:45:07 : <Lensman> Hippy, that's what I just said.
2013-05-04 19:45:39 : <Hippy> Ah. . .yes, now I see what you meaned
2013-05-04 19:46:02 : <Dan> :)
2013-05-04 19:46:06 : <Lensman> :)
2013-05-04 19:46:17 : <fredskuentz> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ax%3Dask
giggles away, and of course will have 'gigglt' in due course
2013-05-04 19:47:01 : <Lensman> I feel a tugging sensation on my lower extremity.
2013-05-04 19:47:15 : <Hippy> In 'Riddle Walker' they'd got as far using '-it' for the past tenses
2013-05-04 19:47:20 : <Lensman> Feeled.
2013-05-04 19:47:45 : <Hippy> I mean 'Riddley Walker'
2013-05-04 19:48:02 : <NickE> yeah, but that was warped dialect
2013-05-04 19:48:14 : <Hippy> Well, you 'd know best
2013-05-04 19:48:49 : <Hippy> It's interesting because it shows an American's-ear view of what the Kent dialect sounds like
2013-05-04 19:49:12 : <NickE> heh - I grew up in Kent - found it a very interesting read - hard going at times, but quite liked what it tried to do
2013-05-04 19:49:28 : <Hippy> Tried?
2013-05-04 19:49:43 : <Lensman> I often found it hilarous on "The History of
2013-05-04 19:49:49 : <fredskuentz> past tense of trite
2013-05-04 19:50:01 : <NickE> Pure Kentish is pretty well extinct most places - when drunk I speak pure Sarf Lunnon :-)
2013-05-04 19:50:01 : <Hippy> Hmph!
2013-05-04 19:50:18 : <fredskuentz> type my name if you need me or larry shows please
2013-05-04 19:50:24 : <fredskuentz> I feel my eyes ... closing
2013-05-04 19:50:33 : <Lensman> ...of "English" how they subtitled -all- the dialogue, even those speaking proper King's English. But sometimes I'm watching a BBC America program and I dearly wish for subtitles...
2013-05-04 19:50:50 : <fredskuentz> oh, I use the subs on bbc all the time
2013-05-04 19:51:21 : <NickE> Rapid Glaswegian probably requires that :-)
2013-05-04 19:51:43 : <Hippy> I wish I knew enough Spanish to read the translation of 'Riddley Walker'. I wnat to see if they did the same to Spanish as he did to English
2013-05-04 19:51:58 : <Lensman> Yeah, I should turn on Closed Captioning when watching "Call the Midwife".
2013-05-04 19:52:16 : <Lensman> Or even "The Bletchley Circle".
2013-05-04 19:52:22 : <NickE> Really?
2013-05-04 19:52:28 : <Hippy> Oh God, yes. See if you can find some dialogue from an actor called Peter McKenna - I can hardly follow it
2013-05-04 19:53:05 : <Lensman> Mind you, I can understand most of the characters. It's just the occasional accent I have problems with.
2013-05-04 19:53:31 : <Lensman> And I don't know enough about British dielects to say which.
2013-05-04 19:53:37 : <NickE> Accents do need to be dialed into I find
2013-05-04 19:54:19 : <Hippy> I'm rather pleased that most people here (Florida) can aunderstand me, but occasionally I have some problems
2013-05-04 19:54:33 : <Lensman> I do remember on the movie "Trainspotting' I missed half the dialogue. Where were those people from?
2013-05-04 19:55:03 : <Hippy> In the phone place the other day the girl said 'I watch a lot of British shows so I can understand you well' so there you go
2013-05-04 19:55:08 : <NickE> even I sometimes need to listen a bit, but once I've got it, I'll even start talking like it if I'm speaking to locals - can cause some embarrasement when the ask what part of SCotland?Wales/Ireland i'm from
2013-05-04 19:55:41 : <Hippy> That's pretty good, Nick
2013-05-04 19:55:52 : <Hippy> Lens, I think they were from Edinburgh
2013-05-04 19:56:15 : <Lensman> I've heard many Americans say the same... if you start talking to people with a regional accent, soon you find yourself imitating them.
2013-05-04 19:56:18 : <NickE> Well, their characters were
2013-05-04 19:56:26 : <Dan> Lyn faces that at the stores sometimes. I've even had to translate from her English to the local redneck dialect.
2013-05-04 19:56:34 : <fredskuentz> My Safeway is suddenly full of people that speak some mystery language I've never heard
2013-05-04 19:56:51 : <Hippy> Urdu, probably
2013-05-04 19:56:57 : <fredskuentz> and are completely unfamiliar with any rules of etiquette
2013-05-04 19:57:01 : <NickE> but Pompey English is *easy* :-)
2013-05-04 19:57:16 : <Lensman> Edinburgh, Scotland. Okay.
2013-05-04 19:57:17 : <Dan> I know, Nick!
2013-05-04 19:57:44 : <Lensman> Wikipedia agrees it's Edinburgh.
2013-05-04 19:58:09 : <Lensman> Klingon!
2013-05-04 19:58:28 : <Dan> When we're in England, I try to use the correct slang, but keep using my normal American accent. People seem to enjoy that.
2013-05-04 19:58:40 : <Hippy> I got so used to the accents in that, that when they went down to England the bloke in the pub with his Essex accent sounded weird
2013-05-04 19:58:45 : <Lensman> Bugger, don't shag it up!
2013-05-04 19:59:10 : <Hippy> Nice one, Lens
2013-05-04 19:59:12 : <Lensman> Knock up your solicitor and make a trunk call to the mainland.
2013-05-04 19:59:38 : <Hippy> I had expected you, Dan, to have a 'peaches and magnolia blossoms' accent, but you sound...normal
2013-05-04 19:59:39 : <Lensman> Oops, buggered -that- up. ...to the Continent.
2013-05-04 20:00:05 : <Hippy> Also, I don't want my solicitor pregnant
2013-05-04 20:00:17 : <Lensman> Then don't shag her.
2013-05-04 20:00:37 : <Hippy> It's hard to resist, though
2013-05-04 20:00:50 : <Dan> Hippy, I've got the Tennessee Atomic Belt accent. I call it "Educated Southern." It sounds a lot like Johnny Carson, actually.
2013-05-04 20:01:18 : <Hippy> Yeah, it does, too, from memory
2013-05-04 20:02:21 : <NickE> brb
AFK to refresh his ale
2013-05-04 20:03:34 : <Dan> There is a comedian from Knoxville, TN whose family is from Korea. When I hear him, I think, "he's got my accent!" His name is Henry Cho.
2013-05-04 20:05:14 : <Dan> BRB, rented beer...
2013-05-04 20:06:35 : <Dan> Back...
2013-05-04 20:06:43 : <Lensman> So, no Larry... no Ringworld Drinking Game. :(
2013-05-04 20:07:43 : <Lensman> Is this the first scheduled monthly chat following the "Entertainment Weekly" announcement?
2013-05-04 20:09:47 : <Lensman> Don't everyone answer at once...
2013-05-04 20:10:10 : <andy> I believe that it is
2013-05-04 20:10:18 : <Dan> I do not know to which announcement you refer.
2013-05-04 20:10:55 : <andy> Dan: Entertainment Weekly announced on April 10th that Syfy was working on a Ringworld miniseries.
2013-05-04 20:10:58 : <Lensman> Are you Andy Love or a different Andy?
2013-05-04 20:11:04 : <andy> different Andy
2013-05-04 20:11:23 : <andy> that would have been after the April chat, so this is the first one after the announcement.
2013-05-04 20:11:32 : <Dan> Ah, I see. Yes, there was some discussion of that on the NivenList.
2013-05-04 20:11:57 : <Lensman> I think it is, too. Seems like not long ago I saw the news posted to my local SF club's Facebook page.
2013-05-04 20:12:31 : <Lensman> Dan: Any discussion worthy of repeating?
2013-05-04 20:12:36 : <Hippy> Egad!
2013-05-04 20:12:50 : <Hippy> On the announcement and that Andy is not Andy Love
2013-05-04 20:13:31 : <Lensman> I did wonder why Andy was so quiet in this chat room.
2013-05-04 20:13:45 : <Dan> Mostly of how badly it be screwed up because it's SyFy doing it. Consensus is, unless we're really lucky, it'll suck.
2013-05-04 20:14:16 : <Lensman> Dan: Well unfortunately that's about what I expected. Too bad.
2013-05-04 20:14:20 : <Hippy> If I were that lucky I could sue my Powerball money to make 'Ringworld' myself
2013-05-04 20:14:47 : "Jim" joined the channel.
2013-05-04 20:14:53 : <Hippy> The good thing is that we only have to wait a few years for the remake
2013-05-04 20:14:55 : <Dan> Hello, Jim.
2013-05-04 20:14:57 : <Lensman> Hi Jim.
2013-05-04 20:14:59 : <Hippy> Hi, Jim!
2013-05-04 20:15:04 : <Lensman> LOL
2013-05-04 20:15:18 : <Jim> Did I miss Larry
2013-05-04 20:15:34 : <Dan> Nope, he hasn't shown yet.
2013-05-04 20:15:35 : <Lensman> I missed Larry too!
2013-05-04 20:15:38 : <Lensman> But he wasn't here today.
2013-05-04 20:15:44 : <Hippy> And Larry is at least better off than poor Douglas Adams, who never saw HHGTTG - fortunately for him
2013-05-04 20:16:27 : <Lensman> I thought the BBC miniseries of HHGTTG was fairly good, other than the truly awful 2nd head of Zaphod.
2013-05-04 20:16:33 : <Dan> I enjoy the TV version of HHGG much more than I did the movie version.
2013-05-04 20:16:48 : <Hippy> Same here
2013-05-04 20:16:52 : <Lensman> Definitely making the best of a limited budget.
2013-05-04 20:16:59 : <Hippy> Except for David Dixon as Ford.
2013-05-04 20:17:02 : <Dan> And Doug was *in* that one, LOL!
2013-05-04 20:17:02 : <Jim> me too
2013-05-04 20:17:06 : <senax> Zaphod's second head was pretty bad in the movie, too.
2013-05-04 20:17:13 : <senax> In a different way.
2013-05-04 20:17:26 : <Lensman> I'm astonished that many people prefer the movie. That had one good scene... the world-building room. Otherwise, not so much.
2013-05-04 20:17:52 : <Lensman> 2nd head in the movie was much worse. Didn't make sense.
2013-05-04 20:17:58 : <Hippy> The puppeteer for Zaphod's head cost more than Mark Wing-Davey as the first head, apparently
2013-05-04 20:19:04 : <Hippy> I think the FBI is spying on me. The Post Office van has been outside the house for about half an hour
2013-05-04 20:19:27 : <Lensman> Putting the Vogons in business suits. Whose idea was that? Did they think the metaphor needed to be spelled out in a painfully obvious fashion for the "slow" members of the audience?
2013-05-04 20:19:33 : <Dan> It's nofun being an illegal alien...
2013-05-04 20:19:36 : <Hippy> Oh, and Trillian in the movie was the forerunner of every irritating bitch you see on TV nowadays
2013-05-04 20:20:01 : <Hippy> Quiet you, or I'll marry your wife!
2013-05-04 20:20:11 : <Dan> LOL!
2013-05-04 20:20:13 : <sean> oh, Jim Stiles emailed me and say to say hi for him but he would be unable to make it.
2013-05-04 20:20:13 : <Hippy> I'm still legal till the end of August!
2013-05-04 20:20:30 : <Jim> I never saw the movie version of HHGTTG.
2013-05-04 20:20:38 : <Hippy> Then who was that?
2013-05-04 20:20:43 : <Lensman> Jim: Lucky you.
2013-05-04 20:20:56 : <Lensman> Jim <> Jim Stiles?
2013-05-04 20:20:57 : <Jim> I was ill earlier and could not make the trip to central PA.
2013-05-04 20:21:02 : <sean> no doubt
2013-05-04 20:21:10 : <Dan> Our oldest daughter is still a resident alien. Her purse was stolen a couple of years ago. She had to get her green card replaced.
2013-05-04 20:21:19 : <Jim> Jim == Jim Stiles
2013-05-04 20:21:22 : <sean> oops. did not see that jim had popped in
2013-05-04 20:23:09 : <Lensman> Okay, I will humbly ask for an explanation of the "Quite you, or I'll marry your wife!" line, which apparently is an in-joke I'm not in on.
2013-05-04 20:23:26 : <Hippy> It should read Jim 'is approximately' Jim Stiles but I don't know how to get that symbol
2013-05-04 20:23:36 : <Lensman> ~
2013-05-04 20:23:37 : <Dan> My wife got her American citizenship 20 or 25 years ago.
2013-05-04 20:24:28 : <Lensman> Far upper left on my keyboard, anyway. Below the "Esc" key.
2013-05-04 20:24:38 : <Dan> If Hippy married her, he's not have to keep going back to Austrailia every time his visa expired.
2013-05-04 20:24:48 : <Hippy> Sorry, Lens. I'm currently in Florida on my tourist visa, and Dan was opining that I was an illegal alien. Since his wife was slo born outside the US, but is now a citizen, I could marry her and be allowed to stay. (Not really, but that's the common belief.)\\
2013-05-04 20:25:18 : <Hippy> I wish I'd put it that succinctly, Dan
2013-05-04 20:25:39 : <Hippy> And Lens, yes, you're right. I had forgotten the tilde up there
2013-05-04 20:25:52 : <Lensman> Thanks for explaining.
2013-05-04 20:26:23 : <Lensman> Well, it's only a half-arsed "approximately equal to", but the best a standard keyboard can do.
2013-05-04 20:26:28 : <Dan> Lyn says "Ask a Brit the time of day, and they'll explain to you how to build a clock." :)
2013-05-04 20:26:42 : <Lensman> Approximately equal to an approximately equal symbol. ;)
2013-05-04 20:26:58 : <Lensman> LOL
2013-05-04 20:27:05 : <Hippy> Yes, but they will teach you to fish, too
2013-05-04 20:28:58 : <Hippy> My regards to Lyn and has she seen a show called "Lovejoy'?
2013-05-04 20:29:40 : <Dan> I'm sure that she has. I have, in any case. Long ago it was running on one of the better cable channels.
2013-05-04 20:29:43 : <Lensman> "Lovejoy" is possibly my all-time favorite Brit show. Not excepting "Monty Python's Flying Circus". The dog's bollocks!
2013-05-04 20:29:55 : <Hippy> This is weird. Has the postman got a bong in that truck?
2013-05-04 20:30:02 : <Lensman> Wait one... with the exception of "Downton Abbey".
2013-05-04 20:30:37 : <Dan> She is smitten with "Downton Abbey."
2013-05-04 20:30:46 : <Hippy> Oh, good. Then it was over here
2013-05-04 20:30:57 : <Dan> And "Call the Midwife," too.
2013-05-04 20:31:05 : <Lensman> Who isn't? The soap opera for people who hate soap operas!
2013-05-04 20:31:24 : <Lensman> "Downton Abbey", I mean.
2013-05-04 20:31:28 : <senax> How about this: â‰ƒ
2013-05-04 20:31:36 : <Hippy> That's SYFY's 'Ringworld'
2013-05-04 20:31:39 : <Lensman> Think outside that.
2013-05-04 20:31:43 : <Lensman> LOL
2013-05-04 20:32:06 : <Lensman> "Squareworld". Doesn't have quite the same, um, ring...
2013-05-04 20:32:13 : <Hippy> How'd you do that, xenax? That was the one I wanted
2013-05-04 20:32:29 : <Lensman> (OW! OW! OW!)
2013-05-04 20:32:46 : <Hippy> The posite/FBI/USCIS/KKK van has finally gone
2013-05-04 20:32:54 : <senax> On OS X, I used "Special Characters" under the Edit menu.
2013-05-04 20:33:16 : <senax> In Windows, I would have used the Character Map under Accessories, I think.
2013-05-04 20:33:19 : <Dan> Came out as a black square on my screen. I suppose I don't have all the steeings quite right in this new copy of mIRC.
2013-05-04 20:33:47 : <Dan> settings
2013-05-04 20:33:52 : <senax> It was a Unicode character, so if your app isn't using Unicode, it wouldn't look right.
2013-05-04 20:33:52 : <Hippy> Ah, yes. I saw the symbol. Should've thought of character map
2013-05-04 20:33:55 : <Lensman> I see a hollow square.
2013-05-04 20:34:16 : <Hippy> I must look more into Unicode
2013-05-04 20:34:24 : <Lensman> With eris BETA via ChatZilla
2013-05-04 20:34:48 : <Hippy> Your font may not have the symbol, Lens
2013-05-04 20:35:03 : <Hippy> Same for Dan, althugh he's on mIRC
2013-05-04 20:35:24 : <Hippy> Time for another beer
2013-05-04 20:35:35 : <Lensman> I assumed you did want it to look like a hollow square. Why, what is the symbol?
2013-05-04 20:35:53 : <Dan> I doubt mIRC is set to accept unicode characters, but it probably has that option somewhere.
2013-05-04 20:35:59 : <andy> it's sort of like = but with ~ in place of the upper line
2013-05-04 20:36:14 : <andy> Dan: look for a setting for "UTF-8"
2013-05-04 20:36:24 : <Lensman> Ah, the real "approximately equal to" symbol.
2013-05-04 20:37:51 : <Lensman> â‰ˆ
2013-05-04 20:38:01 : <senax> The hollow square is just a placeholder for an unknown character.
2013-05-04 20:38:33 : <Lensman> senax: Yes, I realized that was what was going on from the above discussion.
2013-05-04 20:38:53 : <Lensman> I don't think eris BETA likes unicode.
2013-05-04 20:39:06 : <senax> Is there a distinction between the version with the straight lower bar and the one that looks like two stacked tildes?
2013-05-04 20:39:16 : <Jim> > â‰ˆ
2013-05-04 20:39:38 : <Jim> not really
2013-05-04 20:39:40 : <senax> ISTR them being used interchangeably in math classes.
2013-05-04 20:39:56 : <Lensman> I dunno, I'm not a math guy.
2013-05-04 20:40:28 : <senax> Me neither. I thought I was until I encountered calculus. :-(
2013-05-04 20:40:31 : <Hippy> Yes. The first one is 'approximately equal to' and the other is 'approximately'
2013-05-04 20:40:59 : <senax> Ah.
2013-05-04 20:41:35 : <Hippy> Now that I write that, it's hard to say in what circumstance that would make any difference
2013-05-04 20:42:06 : <Hippy> Oh, yeah. Dan, are you on Skype?
2013-05-04 20:42:21 : <Dan> Not at the moment, no.
2013-05-04 20:42:39 : <Dan> I do have a Skype account, but I rarely use it.
2013-05-04 20:42:52 : <Hippy> Ah, okay. I wanted to thrash out this LibertyCon thing, but I have your phone number somewhere anyway
2013-05-04 20:44:22 : <Dan> Not a problem. I understand there's a chance you might be able to attend again this year, but if your girlfriend decides to go to England at that time, you'll go with her.
2013-05-04 20:44:45 : <Hippy> You've got that right!
2013-05-04 20:47:31 : <Dan> If you are able to go, you and Sean will try to split the cost of a room. If you can't go, Sean is welcome to bunk in our room.
2013-05-04 20:48:31 : <Hippy> Yep. I should know in a couple of days what the story is, but I will register anyway just in case
2013-05-04 20:48:41 : <Jim> .weather EKN
2013-05-04 20:48:42 : <Outsider> EDRY: no such ICAO code, or no NOAA data
2013-05-04 20:48:49 : <Jim> .weather KEKN
2013-05-04 20:48:50 : <Outsider> Clear â˜¼, 66.2â„‰ (19â„ƒ), 30.10in (1016mb), Light breeze 6kt (â†‘) - KEKN 19:51Z
2013-05-04 20:48:56 : <Dan> Rooms are going fast, however. Your girfriend does need to decide when her visit to England should take place.
2013-05-04 20:49:03 : <Lensman> .weather MCI
2013-05-04 20:49:04 : <Outsider> EDKV: no such ICAO code, or no NOAA data
2013-05-04 20:49:19 : <Lensman> .weather 66109
2013-05-04 20:49:20 : <Outsider> Overcast â˜, 46.4â„‰ (8â„ƒ), 29.95in (1011mb), Gentle breeze 9kt (â†‘) - KMCI 19:53Z
2013-05-04 20:49:35 : <senax> weather KMCI
2013-05-04 20:49:36 : <Lensman> .weather KMCI
2013-05-04 20:49:37 : <Outsider> Overcast â˜, 46.4â„‰ (8â„ƒ), 29.95in (1011mb), Gentle breeze 9kt (â†‘) - KMCI 19:53Z
2013-05-04 20:49:43 : <Hippy> 46F?! I wish I was there, Lens
2013-05-04 20:50:08 : <Lensman> We had record cold yesterday.
2013-05-04 20:50:31 : <Lensman> Or maybe that was 2 days ago. Anyway, quite recently.
2013-05-04 20:50:45 : <Hippy> Dan, okay. It might be easier if Sean books a room then I can reimburse him for my half if it doesn't come off.
2013-05-04 20:51:21 : <Hippy> Stupidly hot down here. It's like being rugged up in a Port Moresby sauna
2013-05-04 20:51:47 : <Dan> He can't afford to book a room by himself, I believe. Not and buy the gas for the drive to Chattanooga.
2013-05-04 20:51:52 : <Hippy> .weather 32826
2013-05-04 20:51:53 : <Outsider> Cloudy, 80.6â„‰ (27â„ƒ), 29.70in (1002mb), Gentle breeze 9kt (â†‘) - KORL 19:53Z
2013-05-04 20:52:13 : <Dan> .weatherr 30628
2013-05-04 20:52:14 : <Outsider> Try .weather London, for example?
2013-05-04 20:52:23 : <Dan> .weather 30628
2013-05-04 20:52:24 : <Outsider> Overcast â˜, 55.4â„‰ (13â„ƒ), 29.94in (1011mb), Light Rain, Moderate breeze 13kt (â†‘) - KAND, 20:46Z
2013-05-04 20:52:29 : <Hippy> Oh, well, not too bad today
2013-05-04 20:52:39 : <Lensman> It's amazing how cheap it can get if 10 people share one hotel room! :)
2013-05-04 20:52:39 : <senax> weather EGLL
2013-05-04 20:53:03 : <Lensman> Waiting time for the bathroom can be a serious problem, tho.
2013-05-04 20:53:10 : <senax> Oopsâ€¦left off the dot.
2013-05-04 20:53:19 : <senax> .weather EGLL
2013-05-04 20:53:20 : <Outsider> Clear â˜¼, 12â„ƒ, 1019mb, Moderate breeze 13kt (â†‘) - EGLL 20:20Z
2013-05-04 20:53:34 : <Hippy> I never wait. Plenty of bathrooms in a hotel toom, it you're not doing the cleaning :)
2013-05-04 20:53:43 : <Lensman> It's pregnant... missing a period. ;)
2013-05-04 20:53:57 : <Hippy> The main thing is, I'll let you know ASAP
2013-05-04 20:54:06 : <Dan> Thank you.
2013-05-04 20:54:33 : <Lensman> Sure, but they frown on you taking a shower in the public ones. :)
2013-05-04 20:55:27 : <Dan> Sean is wanting to check out on the Monday, like we do. That way we can help drain the last kegs of beer at the after-the-con party Sunday Night. :)
2013-05-04 20:55:41 : <Hippy> Let them frown. My passport is like a shield of steel!
2013-05-04 20:56:02 : <Lensman> We call it the "dead dog party" in the Midwest.
2013-05-04 20:56:14 : <Dan> Same here, Lens. :)
2013-05-04 20:56:47 : <Dan> We're trying to get the steampunk con to adopt the practice, as well.
2013-05-04 20:56:50 : <Lensman> I wasn't sure if that was worldwide.
2013-05-04 20:56:51 : <senax> I've never stuck around for one. I guess they typically end up being mostly locals.
2013-05-04 20:56:52 : <Hippy> Sounds like an excellent vocation, Dan
2013-05-04 20:56:53 : <Jim> What is the story about the man who went to the costume party in a costume covered in peanut butter?
2013-05-04 20:57:37 : <Hippy> Ah, yes. I had misinterpreted my I94 form, Jim
2013-05-04 20:57:48 : <Hippy> American regulations are so complicated...
2013-05-04 20:58:11 : <dmac44> He probably met a woman covered in jelly costume ....
2013-05-04 20:58:17 : <Dan> Well, at LibertyCon, it winds up being can staff, pro writers, professional drunks like me, and attendees who don't have to drive very far to get home.
2013-05-04 20:58:21 : <Lensman> The peanut butter turned rancid and he brushed against the curtains. The hotel was seriously Not Pleased. Thereafter, masquerade contests began specifying that you were not to cover yourself in anything remotely like peanut butter.
2013-05-04 20:59:33 : <Lensman> Just one more example of one person's stupidity winding up making life more difficult for everyone.
2013-05-04 21:00:04 : <Hippy> Indeed - and these draconian hotels
2013-05-04 21:00:05 : <fredskuentz> Well, he could have also killed a lot of people in the audience
2013-05-04 21:00:18 : <Hippy> LOL!
2013-05-04 21:00:21 : <Jim> What was he trying to go as? A turd?
2013-05-04 21:00:22 : <senax> Scott Shaw, 1972 Worldcon.
2013-05-04 21:00:39 : <Hippy> Where was that held?
2013-05-04 21:00:41 : <fredskuentz> the Scott Shaw!?
2013-05-04 21:00:53 : <senax> The Turd was actually a character from a story of his.
2013-05-04 21:00:54 : <fredskuentz> I talked to him yesterday
2013-05-04 21:00:59 : <senax> http://file770.com/?p=11769
2013-05-04 21:01:06 : <Lensman> Jim: That is exactly correct. Did I mention stupidity?
2013-05-04 21:01:34 : <fredskuentz> We were debated how the creature fx were created in GORGO
2013-05-04 21:01:38 : <fredskuentz> debating
2013-05-04 21:01:45 : <Lensman> Ah, so this was pre- "South Park". ;)
2013-05-04 21:01:58 : <Dan> "If it's food or nude, it ain't a costume!"
2013-05-04 21:02:26 : <Hippy> Nice quote!
2013-05-04 21:02:36 : <Lensman> I've actually seen that rule: "Total nudity is not a costume."
2013-05-04 21:02:58 : <fredskuentz> what if you're totally nude except for the floating cape?
2013-05-04 21:03:25 : <fredskuentz> or two little blood spots from where it got ripped off?
2013-05-04 21:03:26 : <Hippy> You get done for copyright violation. Massive copyright violation
2013-05-04 21:03:56 : <Dan> We have enough trouble at the steampunk events/conventions with ladies in corsets keeping their "equipage" holstered. :)
2013-05-04 21:04:10 : <Lensman> I'm glad I don't have to be the one making such decisions.
2013-05-04 21:04:10 : <Hippy> 'Gorgo' would be man in a suit, wouldn't it? Although the buildings collapsing look very real
2013-05-04 21:05:10 : <Lensman> Personally, I think the appropriateness of total nudity depends on how overweight or over-skinny you are, but others have different standards.
2013-05-04 21:05:16 : <fredskuentz> I say man in a suit
2013-05-04 21:05:23 : <fredskuentz> scott say giant marionette
2013-05-04 21:05:50 : <Hippy> Bloody good marionette
2013-05-04 21:05:55 : <fredskuentz> of course 'man in a suit' doesn't preclude 'wires working stuff like the tail' ala Godzilla
2013-05-04 21:06:28 : <fredskuentz> Interestingly, neither of us could come up with *any* backstage photos of Gorgo, you know, with the head off, having a smoke, anything
2013-05-04 21:06:36 : <Hippy> Nor wires on the building blocks to make them fall slowly (and of course, slow motion)
2013-05-04 21:06:41 : <Lensman> Pantomime horse! That's one bit of British humor that I just... don't... get.
2013-05-04 21:07:34 : <Hippy> No, Fred, you're right there. It hasn't been explored enough
has gone blank on the director's name
2013-05-04 21:07:48 : <Hippy> Lourie?
2013-05-04 21:07:55 : <Lensman> Craig Ferguson even has one as a regular on his late-night talk show.
2013-05-04 21:07:58 : <Hippy> Roddenberry?
2013-05-04 21:08:39 : <Hippy> Craig Ferguson...is the ultimate, I hope, expression of America's fascination with British accents
2013-05-04 21:09:03 : <Hippy> He's only there because he sounds like Niall Ferguson
2013-05-04 21:09:29 : <Lensman> I enjoy Ferguson... for awhile. Rarely watch an entire show, tho. Too much the same thing over and over.
2013-05-04 21:09:39 : <Hippy> Niall....damn! What's his name? Harvard Professor
2013-05-04 21:09:53 : <senax> Goto to mama a run--back in a bit.
2013-05-04 21:10:08 : <Hippy> Righto
2013-05-04 21:10:21 : <senax> er, that was supposed to say "make".
2013-05-04 21:11:09 : <Hippy> Oh, it is Ferguson
2013-05-04 21:11:45 : <Hippy> Never mind, xenax, it was a good lyric
2013-05-04 21:18:00 : <dmac44> Goto go guys, see you next month.
2013-05-04 21:18:21 : <fredskuentz> So WHO else thinks the new companion is impossibly cute?
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2013-05-04 21:18:26 : <fredskuentz> bye DMac
2013-05-04 21:18:27 : <Dan> Bye, dmac!
2013-05-04 21:21:33 : <Hippy> I haven't seen her, but if she can beat Amy Pond she must be pretty good
2013-05-04 21:21:55 : <Dan> She is quite attractive.
2013-05-04 21:26:45 : <Hippy> Just had a look. Nope. Amy Pond rules
2013-05-04 21:31:47 : <Jim> anyone still here?
2013-05-04 21:32:24 : <Dan> Yeah, still here. Also elsewhere, but still here.
2013-05-04 21:33:24 : <fredskuentz> nobody here but us chickens doctor
2013-05-04 21:33:41 : <fredskuentz> geek points to anybody that can identify the quote
2013-05-04 21:37:21 : <Hippy> I drift in and out
2013-05-04 21:38:13 : <senax> The chickens quote? There's an old songâ€¦my dad had it on a record, long ago.
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2013-05-04 21:38:30 : <senax> I think the song was based on an older joke.
2013-05-04 21:39:27 : <gofffan> Hey guys. Did I miss somethig? Just had a minute to drop by. Guess I missed the whole enchilada.
2013-05-04 21:39:45 : <senax> I just got back. Hi.
2013-05-04 21:40:06 : <Dan> Wasn't much of an enchilada. More of a taco...
2013-05-04 21:40:17 : <senax> Don't think you missed a lot. I've been dropping in & out. LN never showed.
2013-05-04 21:40:35 : <gofffan> Taco - not too bad.
2013-05-04 21:40:52 : <Dan> We did have a good discussion on how language changes, and on acccents.
2013-05-04 21:40:55 : <gofffan> Ah. Well, he deserves some time off.
2013-05-04 21:41:04 : <senax> Fred , do I get any points or not?
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2013-05-04 21:42:56 : <gofffan> Well, I knew this was going to be a tough day to get here. Business calls - so best to all. Sean - take care. Fred - see ya at NS. Dan and Senax - maybe next month, eh?
2013-05-04 21:42:59 : <Dan> I would guess it's from a Tom Baker-era Doctor Who. One with Sarah & Harry.
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2013-05-04 21:43:19 : <senax> See ya.
2013-05-04 21:43:27 : <senax> Oops--to late.
2013-05-04 21:44:23 : <Hippy> Damn. Missed him, but it sounds like he might be at LibertyCon
2013-05-04 21:44:51 : <fredskuentz> Goff? I can ask.
2013-05-04 21:45:04 : <Dan> I believe he ment next month's chat.
2013-05-04 21:45:32 : <fredskuentz> senax, sorry, looking for a specific well know SF use
2013-05-04 21:45:36 : <fredskuentz> known
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2013-05-04 21:46:08 : <Dan> Hiya, Loi\\uis.
2013-05-04 21:46:15 : <fredskuentz> Louie Louie Wu, where are you
2013-05-04 21:46:20 : <Louis_Wu> Greetings!
2013-05-04 21:46:45 : <Louis_Wu> ....and futz; I'm late
2013-05-04 21:46:53 : <fredskuentz> you missed nada
2013-05-04 21:46:58 : <fredskuentz> except good company
2013-05-04 21:47:01 : <Dan> That's OK, not a lot happened today.
2013-05-04 21:47:14 : <Hippy> Oh, of course. Hmm. These beers are hitting a lot harder than they should
2013-05-04 21:47:26 : <Jim> Looweewu
2013-05-04 21:47:38 : <fredskuentz> rhymes with scooby doo
2013-05-04 21:48:19 : <Hippy> I can't get that quote, Fred
2013-05-04 21:49:07 : <senax> Beer sounds like a good ideaâ€¦just got back from the store with some, too.
2013-05-04 21:49:25 : <fredskuentz> James T. Kirk to Elizabeth Dehner, STAR TREK, "Where No Man Has Gone Before"
2013-05-04 21:49:32 : <Hippy> This is my last cold one
2013-05-04 21:49:33 : <fredskuentz> DEHNER: There's not a soul on this planet but us?
2013-05-04 21:49:33 : <fredskuentz> KIRK: Nobody but us chickens, Doctor.
2013-05-04 21:49:33 : <senax> Sounds vaguely familiar, Fred.
2013-05-04 21:49:53 : <Hippy> There are three more in the box, but they'll takehours to chill
2013-05-04 21:50:38 : <senax> Hours? Isn't there a freezer available? 40 minutes or so in the freezer works for me.
2013-05-04 21:51:11 : <fredskuentz> takes longer here, but then the base starting temp is like 120Â°
2013-05-04 21:51:16 : <fredskuentz> if you store them inside
2013-05-04 21:52:31 : <Hippy> LOL! Hmm. Freezer is possible, but I think it would take longer than ten minutes. This fridge is much better than mine for chilling, but it's not that good
2013-05-04 21:53:14 : <senax> Just opened a Negra Modelo. Getting a head start on Cinco de Mayo.
2013-05-04 21:54:30 : <Dan> We have one of those small fridges just for beer & sodas. It fits under the bar top. Oddly enough, I seldom saw a full-sized fridge in Englans. Mose everyone used one this size.
2013-05-04 21:54:53 : <Hippy> What's thet like? I saw it here last week and thought "Meican beer? 'La cervexa mas carap'
2013-05-04 21:55:02 : <Dan> England
2013-05-04 21:55:27 : <Hippy> Except for Newcastle Brown Ale, I hope
2013-05-04 21:55:36 : <Dan> Modelo isn't bad. Better than some of the other Mexican brands.
2013-05-04 21:56:10 : <Hippy> Oh, and I tried Pabst Blue Ribbon a few weeks back. My God! That is the worst beer in the universe!! No beer should leave a bad taste in your mouth!
2013-05-04 21:57:15 : <fredskuentz> I got WEREWOLF BEER from Romania a few Halloweens ago
2013-05-04 21:57:32 : <fredskuentz> it was the first time I ever understood why people referred to bad beer as 'skunky'
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2013-05-04 21:57:49 : <fredskuentz> used it to cook a pot roast and threw the whole thing out
2013-05-04 21:57:58 : <fredskuentz> 'cause it was like a skunk pot roast
2013-05-04 21:58:18 : <Dan> I've gotten to where I actually like Natural Light, myself. Not a bad taste, and more affordable than most other brands that taste as good.
2013-05-04 21:58:21 : <senax> Sorry..was away in the fridge for a minute. Negra Modelo is a dark Munich-style lager. There are a lot of good Mexican beers, if you stay away from the pre-skunked stuff in the clear bottles.
2013-05-04 21:58:49 : <fredskuentz> http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-9i6zGPl6Gdk/TrHaKxjqhUI/AAAAAAAACCU/CjvkD7WdYTI/s1600/015.JPG
2013-05-04 21:59:48 : <senax> So the Werewolf label is a "before & after"?
2013-05-04 22:00:12 : <senax> Here's how she looks before a few of these beersâ€¦and here's afterward.
2013-05-04 22:00:21 : <fredskuentz> exactly
2013-05-04 22:00:30 : <senax> Cute.
2013-05-04 22:00:36 : <fredskuentz> except it turned out to be house she tasted
2013-05-04 22:00:43 : <senax> Lol.
2013-05-04 22:01:14 : <Lensman> You mean there is beer that does -not- leave a bad taste in your mouth? Honestly, I didn't think that was possible.
2013-05-04 22:01:28 : <Hippy> 8.2%? Now that's a beer!
2013-05-04 22:01:43 : <Jim> I have to go. See you next month.
2013-05-04 22:01:44 : <Jim> bye
2013-05-04 22:01:49 : "Jim" left the channel.
2013-05-04 22:01:50 : <senax> Bye Jim
2013-05-04 22:01:51 : <Dan> Bye, Jim!
2013-05-04 22:01:59 : <Hippy> 'Bye, Jim
2013-05-04 22:02:37 : <Hippy> Lens, I suppose you could say that there are beers and then there are beers. But this Pabst....lingeredon
2013-05-04 22:03:01 : <Hippy> I was wishing I could remove my teeth before I brushed them
2013-05-04 22:03:29 : <Dan> PBR is one of the traditional redneck beers. :)
2013-05-04 22:03:35 : <senax> I've had PBR, and didn't think it was much different from any other mass-produced American light lager.
2013-05-04 22:03:50 : <Lensman> Well, I think this is merely a matter of individual taste. The idea that you could rot perfectly good grain and have the waste water actually taste good... I think it is something that you have to acclimatize yourself to.
2013-05-04 22:03:55 : <Hippy> That's a warning to us all, xenax
2013-05-04 22:04:26 : <senax> And cheese is just spoiled milk.
2013-05-04 22:04:32 : <Hippy> I refuse to acclimatise, Lens. Not while I can get huge cans of Fosters at the supermarket
2013-05-04 22:04:50 : <Hippy> And have a traditional 'tomarto juice' for breakfast
2013-05-04 22:04:59 : <Lensman> senax: So the Japanese say, I understand.
2013-05-04 22:05:27 : <senax> Is that tomato juice with beer?
2013-05-04 22:05:36 : <Lensman> You say tomarto, I say tomato...
2013-05-04 22:06:13 : <Hippy> Let's not quote that lyric :)
2013-05-04 22:06:26 : <Hippy> Xenax: nope, vodka
2013-05-04 22:06:29 : <Lensman> Let's call the whole thing off? ;)
2013-05-04 22:06:29 : <Dan> Hippy's morning tomato juice caused Sean to want a Bloody Mary atLibertyCon last year. LOL!
2013-05-04 22:06:39 : <Hippy> It's the LibertyCon breakfast!
2013-05-04 22:06:45 : <senax> Bloody Mary sounds good to me.
2013-05-04 22:07:08 : <senax> Think I've got the makings here...
2013-05-04 22:07:12 : <Hippy> That was a fun morning!
2013-05-04 22:07:48 : <Dan> Had to convince the bar staff to part with some vodka to go with my V-8 juice, LOL!
2013-05-04 22:08:07 : <Dan> tHE BAR WASN'T OFFICIALLY OPEN AT THAT TIME OF DAY.
2013-05-04 22:08:14 : <Dan> Oops!
2013-05-04 22:08:41 : <Hippy> I understand your outrage, Dan
2013-05-04 22:08:51 : <senax> :-)
2013-05-04 22:09:27 : <Hippy> Anyway, gentlemen, I must adjourn to put more beers in the freezer, so I bid you all adieu until June...7th, I think
2013-05-04 22:09:37 : <Dan> Well, I usually am better prepared at a con.
2013-05-04 22:09:41 : <senax> Bye hippy.
2013-05-04 22:09:44 : <Dan> Goodevening, Hippy!
2013-05-04 22:09:57 : <Lensman> Be well, Hippy.
2013-05-04 22:10:15 : <Hippy> I'll get back to you, Dan and Sean ASAP with my plans
2013-05-04 22:10:23 : <Hippy> Thanks, Lens
2013-05-04 22:10:28 : <Dan> Sounds good!
2013-05-04 22:10:33 : <Hippy> Might run into you on my way back from Omaha
2013-05-04 22:10:46 : <senax> Omaha?
2013-05-04 22:11:16 : <Hippy> Yes, an old schoolmate is there. Just have to sort out beer arrangements
2013-05-04 22:11:34 : <senax> When are you going to be in Omaha? We should have a beer.
2013-05-04 22:12:06 : <Hippy> Late May? I'll have to sort stuff out. But if you're there, it's on
imagins he 'Exploding Liver' tour of the USA
2013-05-04 22:13:12 : <senax> I'll be here except for the 25th-26th, when I will be in Kansas City for ConQuest.
2013-05-04 22:14:32 : <Hippy> Well, that's Lens's neck of the woods. Could be the place to be!
2013-05-04 22:14:42 : <Hippy> And not costing me three grand to get there and back
2013-05-04 22:14:56 : <Dan> Looking forward to drinking you under the table again, my friend.
2013-05-04 22:15:10 : <senax> Unfortunately, he won't be at the con this year. :-(
2013-05-04 22:15:14 : <Hippy> No doubt about that these days :(
2013-05-04 22:16:04 : <Hippy> Lens? Could we not arrange some kind of meeting?
2013-05-04 22:16:04 : <Dan> Still, it ranks as the bestintroduction I've ever made. "Hello, I'm your Publisher..."
2013-05-04 22:16:21 : <Hippy> That ruled, Dan!
2013-05-04 22:18:11 : <senax> Call to the post...
2013-05-04 22:18:55 : <Hippy> Okay, definitely goen now. See you later this month, or next month, or at some point
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2013-05-04 22:24:10 : <NickE> gonna go too - sorry, been rather distracted (recovering from lurgi)
2013-05-04 22:26:26 : <senax> Going to be distracted by the race in a few minutes.
2013-05-04 22:27:02 : "NickE" left the channel.
2013-05-04 22:27:13 : <fredskuentz> there's a race?
2013-05-04 22:28:27 : <senax> The Kentucky Derby.
2013-05-04 22:40:46 : <senax> Well, i'm outta here.
2013-05-04 23:04:08 : <Dan> Back from a beer run...
2013-05-04 23:06:29 : <Dan> I used up the last $9 that was on my Unemployment debit card from the Glass Melter Rebuild layoff from last Fall. Free beer, gotta love that, LOL!
2013-05-04 23:07:02 : <Dan> .weather 30628
2013-05-04 23:07:04 : <Outsider> Overcast â˜, 55.4â„‰ (13â„ƒ), 29.95in (1011mb), Light Rain, Mist, Moderate breeze 11kt (â†‘) - KAND, 23:03Z
2013-05-04 23:07:37 : <Dan> "Light rain" my a$$, LOL! It's pouring down out there!
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2013-05-04 23:32:05 : <fredskuentz> oof
2013-05-04 23:32:39 : <Dan> :)
2013-05-04 23:34:47 : <fredskuentz> major freeze. had to push the power button. :(
2013-05-04 23:35:14 : <Dan> Ouch. I was getting a lot of those before I rebuilt the computer.
2013-05-04 23:35:27 : <fredskuentz> C4D froze me I assume
2013-05-04 23:35:33 : <fredskuentz> but I had a ton of stuff going
2013-05-04 23:35:35 : <Dan> As well as reboots for no damn reason.
2013-05-04 23:35:49 : <fredskuentz> uploads, downloads, transfers, limechat, 3d
2013-05-04 23:36:07 : <fredskuentz> could have been anything
2013-05-04 23:45:19 : <Dan> Well, going off to watch tonight's Doctor Who. I've seen mixed reviews already, but it's DW, so I doubt that I'll be less than entertained. See you next time!
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