Chat Log: June 2nd, 2012

[00:56] #knownspace> fredskuentz: k
[00:57] #knownspace> fredskuentz: we have an equal # of common friends from Niven and Nautilus and I lost track :)
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[11:50] #knownspace> AgincourtDB: boo
[11:52] #knownspace> Xenovalent: Outsider: Tell AgincourtDB "Why boo?"
[12:13] #knownspace> sean: Outsider: tell AgincourtDB Why boo?
[12:13] #knownspace> Outsider: sean: I'll pass that on when AgincourtDB is around.
[12:58] #knownspace> fredskuentz: cool, I sent him the contact info
[12:59] #knownspace> fredskuentz: Outsider: tell AgincourtDB Boo-Yah.
[12:59] #knownspace> Outsider: fredskuentz: I'll pass that on when AgincourtDB is around.
[13:00] #knownspace> fredskuentz: I think outsider didn't like the capital T in Xeno's 'Tell'
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[13:32] #knownspace> NickE: evenin' (in and out today)
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[13:43] #knownspace> sean: .weather 40601
[13:43] #knownspace> Outsider: Cloudy, 69.8℉ (21℃), 29.94in (1011mb), Gentle breeze 9kt (↑) - KLOU 16:53Z
[13:44] #knownspace> sean: !chuck
[13:44] #knownspace> HAL9000: When Chuck Norris answers the phone, he just says "Go". This is not permission for you to begin speaking, it is your cue to start running for your life. [score=6.913]
[14:06] #knownspace> fredskuentz: Does Sooby just use the screen name 'Lensman' or are there additional alphanumerics?
[14:12] #knownspace> sean: just Lensman
[14:25] #knownspace> fredskuentz: Outsider: tell Lensman Hey Sooby!
[14:25] #knownspace> Outsider: fredskuentz: I'll pass that on when Lensman is around.
[14:36] #knownspace> SeanS: !movieplot
[14:36] #knownspace> HAL9000: Summary: He's a lonely day-dreaming waffle chef trapped in a world he never made. She's a blind winged stripper descended from a line of powerful witches. They fight crime.
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[14:39] #knownspace> Hippy: Good morning, everyone
[14:39] #knownspace> SeanS: hey
[14:40] #knownspace> Hippy: Is it bloody freezing in everyone's neck of the woods? It is here
[14:40] #knownspace> fredskuentz: .weather 85018
[14:40] #knownspace> Outsider: Cloudy, 96.8℉ (36℃), 29.79in (1005mb), Light breeze 6kt (↑) - KPHX 17:51Z
[14:40] #knownspace> SeanS: other side of the equator here
[14:40] #knownspace> Hippy: True. Thanks, Fred, you enviable. . .person
[14:41] #knownspace> Hippy: Well, it's not literally freezing, but when you're used to warmer climes, it seems like it
[14:41] #knownspace> fredskuentz: the stupid lows of 70° keep the pool too cold to swim even when it's 106°in the day
[14:41] #knownspace> fredskuentz: I blame Global Warming
[14:41] #knownspace> Hippy: Yes, if only it lived up to its promise
[14:42] #knownspace> Hippy: Promises
[14:42] #knownspace> SeanS: thats what it says on my skype profile.. "I want more global warming!!"
[14:42] #knownspace> fredskuentz: Didn't it mostly promise to make AlGore stinking rich?
[14:42] #knownspace> Hippy: Rich and famous, yes
[14:44] #knownspace> Hippy: So, what has transopired in the last month? Anything interesting?
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[14:45] #knownspace> SeanS: my AC died on the hottest weekend of the year and 3 day weekend at that.
[14:45] #knownspace> Hippy: G'day, Jim
[14:45] #knownspace> Jim: all
[14:45] #knownspace> SeanS: hey Jim
[14:45] #knownspace> Hippy: Bloody hell, Sean, that couldn't've been pleasant
[14:45] #knownspace> Hippy: Of course, all whitegoods die on long weekends, and we can probably thank Al Gore for that, too
[14:45] #knownspace> SeanS: well, I stood in the river with friends by day and went up to the gf's house in the evening
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[14:47] #knownspace> iFred: Greetings, legal into cheese!
[14:48] #knownspace> iFred: Clearly the bugs are not all work out of speech to text yet
[14:48] #knownspace> SeanS: so you didnt mean legal into cheese?
[14:48] #knownspace> Hippy: It's creative, though, I"ll give it that
[14:48] #knownspace> iFred: I will try it again
[14:49] #knownspace> iFred: Legal
[14:49] #knownspace> iFred: Into T
[14:49] #knownspace> iFred: Into TT
[14:49] #knownspace> iFred: Entities
[14:49] #knownspace> SeanS: there ya go
[14:49] #knownspace> iFred: Had to type it
[14:49] #knownspace> SeanS: ah
[14:50] #knownspace> iFred: This is the same Fred, by the way, just fired up the iPad
[14:50] #knownspace> Hippy: The same Fred as who?
[14:50] #knownspace> iFred: As the other Fred in the user list
[14:50] #knownspace> fredskuentz: me
[14:51] #knownspace> iFred: Him
[14:51] #knownspace> Hippy: Well, yes, of course :)
[14:51] #knownspace> iFred: :-)
[14:52] #knownspace> Hippy: Raising the qauestion, at least to me, whether your legal status changes from Fred to iFred
[14:52] #knownspace> Hippy: Or you're like the copied AI in 'Finding Myself' or whatever it was called
[14:53] #knownspace> Hippy: So, has anyone been pondering stories set in theJumpShift universe?
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[14:54] #knownspace> iFred: Louiee
[14:54] #knownspace> Louis_Wu: Salutations!
[14:54] #knownspace> iFred: Happy: boots, I forgot the homework.
[14:54] #knownspace> Louis_Wu: Hi Fred :)
[14:55] #knownspace> Hippy: Hi, Louis
[14:55] #knownspace> Hippy: I"ve been pondeing it a bit, but I've been ramming up against the fact that Larry seems to have covered it all
[14:55] #knownspace> iFred: Is jump shift the Nevin Cherryberry Jansen stories, or somebody else's universe?
[14:55] #knownspace> Louis_Wu: Hello Hippy
[14:55] #knownspace> Hippy: No, Niven's
[14:55] #knownspace> iFred: K
[14:56] #knownspace> iFred: So the floating riot club, and… Was it "a kind of murder"?
[14:56] #knownspace> Hippy: Yep
[14:56] #knownspace> iFred: And what ever we can lift from "fear he and practice of teleportation"
[14:56] #knownspace> Hippy: Well, last month, as you recall, Larry had contracted to do one story of a set of three set in one of his universes, and he chose the JumpShift one
[14:57] #knownspace> Hippy: So it's fun to think we might have a small part in coming up with a story he could use, except I haven't
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[14:58] #knownspace> Hippy: Hi, ronn
[14:58] #knownspace> iFred: Elephant grandmother does not count?
[14:58] #knownspace> iFred: Ronn
[14:58] #knownspace> Hippy: Nope, that's Known Space
[14:58] #knownspace> Louis_Wu: "Borderland..."
[14:58] #knownspace> Hippy: Where they have the booths but they've avoided the social consequences of them
[14:58] #knownspace> iFred: Fuck that big mass out in the oceans that goes BOOMP when you teleport, that counts
[14:58] #knownspace> Louis_Wu: Wait, that was Forward
[14:59] #knownspace> iFred: LOL I said "but" not "fuck"
[14:59] #knownspace> Hippy: Yes, although I think it was in a lake, in 'Flash Crowd'
[14:59] #knownspace> iFred: Hmm
[15:00] #knownspace> iFred: I was postulating surfers
[15:00] #knownspace> iFred: Waiting for rush hour
[15:00] #knownspace> Hippy: Good thought, it would be like a wave machine in a mall. In fact, they could probably do that as a money spinner
[15:00] #knownspace> ronn: Or waiting to get Hammered? :P
[15:01] #knownspace> iFred: Right
[15:01] #knownspace> iFred: At least we can mention that to Larry, and make it look like we were thinking about it
[15:01] #knownspace> iFred: :-)
[15:01] #knownspace> Hippy: One thing I thought of was that if you treat the booth network like a phone network, then you have all the problems associated with phones everywhere. I was thinking of 'junk salesmen' who teleport around rather than than telemarketing you
[15:02] #knownspace> iFred: Aaaaaaiiiieeeeeeee
[15:02] #knownspace> ronn: Hi, everyone!
[15:02] #knownspace> iFred: I said "very bad words" to Republican Party scam woman last night
[15:02] #knownspace> Hippy: Woudl you have punched her if she'd turned up on your doorstep?
[15:03] #knownspace> iFred: The junk salesman popping in is reminiscent of Logan's run
[15:03] #knownspace> iFred: Crossed with a shooting gallery
[15:03] #knownspace> iFred: I wouldn't have punched her, I have shot her dead
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[15:04] #knownspace> SeanS: hi David
[15:04] #knownspace> Jim: dave
[15:04] #knownspace> AgincourtDB: hello hello
[15:04] #knownspace> Outsider: AgincourtDB: 16:13Z <sean> tell AgincourtDB Why boo?
[15:04] #knownspace> Outsider: AgincourtDB: 16:59Z <fredskuentz> tell AgincourtDB Boo-Yah.
[15:04] #knownspace> Hippy: Hi, AgincourtDB
[15:04] #knownspace> iFred: Strident bitch demanding to speak to my dead mother
[15:04] #knownspace> Jim: yup
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[15:04] #knownspace> iFred: Greetings, Larry!
[15:04] #knownspace> Jim: Larry!
[15:04] #knownspace> AgincourtDB: Hi Larry
[15:04] #knownspace> Hippy: Hi, Larry!
[15:04] #knownspace> Louis_Wu: Good afternoon Mr. Niven
[15:04] #knownspace> Hippy: Oh, sorry to hear about your mum, Fred
[15:04] #knownspace> Larry: Hello all!
[15:05] #knownspace> ronn: Okay . . . I have Caller ID and unless I know it's someone I want to talk to, I let the machine answer. (Which means I get lots of "Missed Call" on the display w/no message recorded, like I have right now.) What would be the equivalent with transfer booths?
[15:05] #knownspace> Louis_Wu: Fred: Sorry for your loss...
[15:05] #knownspace> iFred: Thanks, HiPPI; it's been six months now and I'm starting to get angry at people.
[15:05] #knownspace> ronn: Hi, Larry!
[15:05] #knownspace> Jim: Ronn!
[15:05] #knownspace> iFred: Ronn, I get constant fake caller ID numbers
[15:06] #knownspace> Louis_Wu: I dont think transfer booths would relace phones; they're a mode of travel...not copmunication
[15:06] #knownspace> AgincourtDB: Fred: we got calls for my dad *years* after he died
[15:06] #knownspace> iFred: Larry, were comparing your jump shift technology to telemarketer phone calls
[15:06] #knownspace> Larry: a missed call on a transfer booth reflects you back to the original booth.
[15:06] #knownspace> Louis_Wu: yikes *communication*
[15:06] #knownspace> Hippy: Well, with the JumpShift booths you can't 'miss the call' so the people still turn up whether you know them or not
[15:06] #knownspace> AgincourtDB: But of course if travel is instantaneous, there's little difference between travel and communication
[15:06] #knownspace> AgincourtDB: because why not just go talk in person?
[15:06] #knownspace> AgincourtDB: :-)
[15:07] #knownspace> ronn: Sorry about your mother, Fred. But . . . my father died in '96 and my mother in '89 and I *still* get mail addressed to them. Not so much phone calls any more, but occasionally . . .
[15:07] #knownspace> iFred: Suddenly you have in person booty calls
[15:07] #knownspace> AgincourtDB: Fred: the best booty calls are always in person
[15:07] #knownspace> iFred: And we're back to Logan's run
[15:07] #knownspace> Louis_Wu: There's lots of reasons to call before using a stepping disk
[15:07] #knownspace> Hippy: UNless you're a telemarketer
[15:07] #knownspace> Louis_Wu: In fact...they'd have an off switch, no?
[15:07] #knownspace> AgincourtDB: so do phones
[15:07] #knownspace> ronn: So "phone s-x," like privacy, was a short-lived fad . . . ?
[15:08] #knownspace> iFred: We seem to be assuming personal transports f
[15:08] #knownspace> iFred: Booths
[15:08] #knownspace> Hippy: If the booth is in yorr house, you could just lock it, I suppose. Of course, the annoyer just sits in the booth yammering at you and no one else can get through
[15:09] #knownspace> Jim: What is the topic? Booths?
[15:09] #knownspace> Hippy: It's whatever you want tto type, Jim
[15:09] #knownspace> ronn: Today, you can put a "No Soliciting" sign on the door . . . but people still ring the doorbell to try to make cold sales calls . . .
[15:09] #knownspace> iFred: Jim, we are trying to come up with some new idea for a transport booth story for Larry
[15:09] #knownspace> Larry: recall why folk started putting their JumpShift booths outside. Not just telemarketers and unwanted booty calls, but theft too.
[15:09] #knownspace> AgincourtDB: I don't think privacy is a short-lived fad just because technology is currently being used by corporate interests to weaken it; there will be the inevitable backlash. As soon as there's money to be made *preserving* people's privacy, it'll start swinging the other way
[15:09] #knownspace> Hippy: But, most of the booths are outside your hosue, so people can just flick in near your house anytime
[15:10] #knownspace> iFred: So far, Larry, we have a surfing wave pool powered by that mass that absorbs the energy
[15:10] #knownspace> ronn: "Privacy was a short-lived fad" was a quote from, um, someone . . . ;)
[15:10] #knownspace> Louis_Wu: There's a simple solution: dogs
[15:10] #knownspace> Hippy: And if we had no privacy, there wouldn't be all these unsolved murders
[15:10] #knownspace> iFred: With the surfers all waiting for rush hour
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[15:10] #knownspace> Jim: Paranoid people who value their privacy would probably live where there are no booths.
[15:10] #knownspace> dmac44: Hi guys.
[15:11] #knownspace> Hippy: Ah, and dmac made a good point about smuggling last month
[15:11] #knownspace> Louis_Wu: Good afternoon dmac
[15:11] #knownspace> ronn: L-W: Only if they can be trained to poop on the stepping disk so it gets transported out into wherever . . .
[15:11] #knownspace> dmac44: Hippy: what point was that?
[15:11] #knownspace> Jim: Larry, are illicit drugs legal in Known Space?
[15:11] #knownspace> Hippy: That you don't need to smuggle because the buyer can just go get whatever it is
[15:12] #knownspace> Louis_Wu: ronn: I think you're supposed to put in a paper bag and set it on fire before transporting... :o)
[15:12] #knownspace> ronn: Only if you dial your in-laws' booth address . . .
[15:13] #knownspace> Larry: that surfing idea is nice. Surges would be unpredictable, a gamble.
[15:13] #knownspace> SeanS: well, the booth should have caller id so you can lock out people that you don't want from being able to transport in.
[15:14] #knownspace> AgincourtDB: sean: it could be gene-locked to only allow specific people
[15:14] #knownspace> Hippy: Excpt they cna pay with coins
[15:14] #knownspace> ronn: Can imagine a cat's litter box with a stepping disk auto-cleaner!
[15:14] #knownspace> SeanS: hippy, public booths but not private ones
[15:14] #knownspace> iFred: The gene locked IDL went horribly awry in demolition Man
[15:14] #knownspace> iFred: When Wesley Snipes just started cutting off hands
[15:15] #knownspace> AgincourtDB: The only good thing about Demolition Man was the song ;-)
[15:15] #knownspace> SeanS: i think it was eye retina pattern. not hands but cant really remember
[15:15] #knownspace> iFred: Jim, IIRC, wire heading eliminated other drugs
[15:15] #knownspace> Hippy: Hmm. I have a aague memory of that, Sean
[15:16] #knownspace> ronn: Can salesfolk use something like auto-dialing transfer booths that try every number in sequence, then keep trying all the ones where the connection never went through?
[15:16] #knownspace> AgincourtDB: the transfer booths would by definition have to know *everything* about you physically. Pretty hard to spoof...
[15:16] #knownspace> Hippy: That would work
[15:16] #knownspace> iFred: Sean, I thought people had a chip in their hand, but you may be right
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[15:16] #knownspace> Hippy: Hi, Dan
[15:16] #knownspace> Jim: Dan!
[15:17] #knownspace> Dan: Hiya!
[15:17] #knownspace> Hippy: What if we did this chat via JumpShift booth?
[15:17] #knownspace> ronn: A model 666 chip, right?
[15:17] #knownspace> Hippy: I say we assemble at Dan's place
[15:17] #knownspace> AgincourtDB: pick a park, everyone dial in
[15:17] #knownspace> SeanS: fred, chip to lowjack them for location but i remember snipes with the warden's eyeball on a pen for a security door
[15:17] #knownspace> Dan: I would have trouble recponnecting, LOL!
[15:17] #knownspace> Larry: Hippy, bite your tongue.
[15:17] #knownspace> ronn: Hippy: Most of us would have to put on pants first . . .
[15:17] #knownspace> Louis_Wu: ronn: Can you see me?!? :o)
[15:18] #knownspace> Hippy: Eek
[15:18] #knownspace> AgincourtDB: Ok so I have a flash mob question for Larry... the term is often used today for *planned* meetings. Didn't the term originally mean gatherings that happened 'organically', without prior planning?
[15:18] #knownspace> Dan: My wife would insist on everyone being dressed.
[15:18] #knownspace> AgincourtDB: Dan: body paints count?
[15:18] #knownspace> AgincourtDB: Dan: and if so, can I invite Megan Fox?
[15:19] #knownspace> Hippy: I'm sure you could hack her local booth so she'd have little choice about the invite
[15:19] #knownspace> Dan: Consult my wife on that, but I suspect a "No" just to make sure I keep my eyes to myself.
[15:19] #knownspace> Larry: Agincourt: yes. I did invent flash mobs, but called them "the permanent floating riot club."
[15:19] #knownspace> AgincourtDB: well, perhaps *one* could... I'm no Hindmost
[15:19] #knownspace> ronn: Some people would need two coats . . . and it would get expensive to get enough to cover all that surface . . .
[15:20] #knownspace> AgincourtDB: OK, thanks Larry... I kept getting annoyed when seeing it used to refer to pre-planned 'happening's but I wanted to make sure I was justified in being annoyed, lol.
[15:20] #knownspace> ronn: Have to use a wide roller . . .
[15:21] #knownspace> Hippy: And I"d resemble that roller. . .
[15:21] #knownspace> Jim: It would be easier to just set the shower to Blue.
[15:22] #knownspace> iFred: Think of that colored crap you'd be jumping in the ocean
[15:22] #knownspace> iFred: Dumping
[15:22] #knownspace> dmac44: first jump to an idustrial scale paint outfit and pick a paint job then jump to Dan's
[15:23] #knownspace> ronn: Compared to what gets dumped in the ocean NOW?
[15:23] #knownspace> iFred: If everybody shower was blue paint, yeah
[15:23] #knownspace> Hippy: No, you'd teleport all the crap out to somewhere other than the ocean. Venus, I think, was used
[15:24] #knownspace> Jim: sophisticated designs would be difficult to apply with a shower
[15:24] #knownspace> iFred: Personally, I want a sonic shower, but only if it has Persis Khambatta in it.
[15:24] #knownspace> ronn: Oh, different people would choose different colors. "Dump the rainbow."
[15:24] #knownspace> dmac44: jim: that's why there'd be businesses created to do it for you
[15:24] #knownspace> Hippy: She's been dead for years, though
[15:24] #knownspace> Larry: streaking using JumpShift booths: a notion.
[15:24] #knownspace> Louis_Wu: Mr. Niven: You're incorrigible :o)
[15:25] #knownspace> ronn: Yeah, at the Baptist university I attended in the 70s, we had a streaker run through the chapel, but the campus cops caught him by the organ . . .
[15:25] #knownspace> Hippy: You could havea a contest to see how many booths you can strak between before you end up in Nebraska
[15:25] #knownspace> Jim: If every man and woman has a medically enhanced body, what would be the point of streaking?
[15:26] #knownspace> dmac44: is nuditity common in the jump universe?
[15:26] #knownspace> AgincourtDB: How about Identity Theft via transfer booth? You wait until someone steps on, you replace them in-system (they're erased) and you're them. The booth says so.
[15:26] #knownspace> Hippy: But nothign else would
[15:26] #knownspace> Dan: A rather sinister sort of hacking.
[15:26] #knownspace> NickE: back. Whoa busy! Hi everyone
[15:27] #knownspace> Larry: The JumpShift universe starts NOW. Thus I suspect nudity is not common, not unheard of.
[15:27] #knownspace> Louis_Wu: Agin: If that works then no one would ever use them
[15:27] #knownspace> iFred: Hey nick
[15:27] #knownspace> Hippy: The booth doesn't record you, it just turns you into a transition particle
[15:27] #knownspace> AgincourtDB: Lous_Wu: the story would necessarily be about the first time it worked. And maybe only?
[15:27] #knownspace> Hippy: Hey, Nick. How's Kenya?
[15:27] #knownspace> NickE: (heh streaking)
[15:28] #knownspace> Louis_Wu: Good afternoon, Nick
[15:28] #knownspace> ronn: Someone's streaking in Kenya?
[15:28] #knownspace> NickE: Hot. Wet the first week, glorious the second. Saw elephants!
[15:29] #knownspace> fredskuentz: Thought of the day -- feel free to share:
[15:29] #knownspace> fredskuentz: "Every time a Kardashian gets a TV show, an angel dies."
[15:29] #knownspace> Hippy: There's a T-shirt in that
[15:29] #knownspace> NickE: Was working in the week, but the weekends did not suck. Or the evenings for that matter :-)
[15:29] #knownspace> Jim: "Every time a Kardashian gets a TV show, God kills a poor child in Africa."
[15:29] #knownspace> NickE: evening here, cheers
[15:30] #knownspace> ronn: Working on what?
[15:30] #knownspace> NickE: malaria vaccine trial
[15:32] #knownspace> NickE: well that killed the conversation :-)
[15:32] #knownspace> Dan: I saw something my mind couldn't parse yesterday, so it decided that I'd seen a whale, covered by a tarp, on the back of a flatbed truck driving down the highway away from me. Strange what one's brain does with fleeting imagies barely glimpsed. :)
[15:32] #knownspace> NickE: Just keep taking the tablets Dan
[15:32] #knownspace> iFred: Image like that in GORGO
[15:32] #knownspace> AgincourtDB: See, if I were the whale, I'd take a bus.
[15:33] #knownspace> Louis_Wu: Larry: are Protectors based on Meyers-Briggs "INFJ".....?
[15:33] #knownspace> dmac44: A whale walked into a bar.....
[15:33] #knownspace> Hippy: Hey, tha's me! I'm one of those
[15:33] #knownspace> Dan: I'm not kidding. I haven't the foggiest idea wht was *really* on that truck, but my mind said Whale. Turn right to go get the beer..."
[15:33] #knownspace> dmac44: same here
[15:33] #knownspace> Louis_Wu: Hippy: Same here :o)
[15:33] #knownspace> ronn: If you're a Whale, the casino will send a limo rather than making you take the bus with the rest of the senior citizens.
[15:34] #knownspace> Larry: Don't understand Louis Wu's question.
[15:34] #knownspace> AgincourtDB: I need food... brb
[15:34] #knownspace> Louis_Wu: Larry: That would be a "no" :o)
[15:35] #knownspace> Louis_Wu: INFJ is a personality type...when I read the description it sounded something like a Protector
[15:35] #knownspace> Hippy: It would explain my tooth falling out
[15:36] #knownspace> Hippy: What does it stand for? I have completely forgotten
[15:36] #knownspace> Louis_Wu: Hippy: Introversion Intuitive Feeling Judging
[15:37] #knownspace> Hippy: Ah, yes
[15:37] #knownspace> Louis_Wu: Thought I'd stumbled onto something...oh wel
[15:38] #knownspace> Hippy: Interestign that the percentage of INFJ's among Niven fans is larger than the normal population
[15:38] #knownspace> Larry: sounded unlikely from start.
[15:38] #knownspace> iFred: Ronn, I was recently disappointed to learn that they no longer bus old people from Phoenix to Vegas
[15:39] #knownspace> Louis_Wu: Hippy: Based on this small sample space?
[15:39] #knownspace> Hippy: 19 is a bit small, I grant you
[15:39] #knownspace> ronn: iFred: Why? You have some you want to get rid of?
[15:40] #knownspace> iFred: Heh
[15:40] #knownspace> Jim: Hippy, do you mean there are only 19 people on the e-mail list now?
[15:40] #knownspace> iFred: No, a friend and I were invited to Vegas.
[15:40] #knownspace> iFred: We were debating modes of transportation.
[15:40] #knownspace> AgincourtDB: it's because of the old people trade deficit
[15:40] #knownspace> Hippy: Jim: I assume there a lot more, but we can't find out their Meyers-Briggs type from the list
[15:40] #knownspace> ronn: I was thinking of the ads when I lived in Utah for the bus going to Wendover every weekend.
[15:41] #knownspace> ronn: 'Round here these days the casinos in Mississippi seem to expect you to drive your own car . . .
[15:41] #knownspace> dmac44: Larry, how in the JumpShift universe do you prevent everyone from ending up in one place? BY that I mean, let's say everyone in the mainland wanted to jump to Hawaii at the same time. It's get very crowded very quickly.
[15:42] #knownspace> Hippy: LIke Tahitii
[15:42] #knownspace> Jim: Dmac44, computer controls that prevent more than X number of people jumping to any one place within Y hours.
[15:42] #knownspace> AgincourtDB: ok, somebody define the Jumpshift universe for me. Which stories?
[15:42] #knownspace> Larry: again: the booths reflect. If you don't get through you're back at your origin.
[15:43] #knownspace> Jim: Even better.
[15:43] #knownspace> AgincourtDB: a reflection system is bad for network load though... better to ping and if busy, don't send in the first place
[15:43] #knownspace> Hippy: "Flash Crowd', 'A Kind of Murder', 'The Last Days of the Permanent Floating Riot Club' and another one I foret
[15:43] #knownspace> Louis_Wu: Larry: Wouldn't it just seem like the booth was broken....?
[15:43] #knownspace> ronn: Everybody could transport to Zanzibar and see if they really could all stand there . . . except that was a couple of years ago now . . .
[15:44] #knownspace> dmac44: might make it tough to meet up with friends at a specific location
[15:44] #knownspace> AgincourtDB: that's a different universe than KS?
[15:44] #knownspace> Dan: 50 more days until LibertyCon!
[15:44] #knownspace> Hippy: I'm counting the hours, Dan
[15:44] #knownspace> Dan: How shall we meet up?
[15:45] #knownspace> Jim: Dan, is LibertyCon in Memphis, TN?
[15:45] #knownspace> Hippy: I'd better give you my phone number
[15:45] #knownspace> Hippy: It's in Chattanooga!!! But I have to fly there :(
[15:45] #knownspace> Louis_Wu: Any programmers in here...? Sounds like app fodder to me
[15:45] #knownspace> Dan: Just gathering around Larry would yeld a lot of false positives, LOL! Besides, Larry might be busy.
[15:45] #knownspace> Larry: "Flash Crowd", "The Alibi Machine", "A Kind of Murder", "All the Bridges Rusting", and a forgotten short story.
[15:46] #knownspace> Hippy: 'Permanent Floaiting Riot Club'
[15:46] #knownspace> AgincourtDB: learn something new every day :-)
[15:46] #knownspace> Louis_Wu: Hippy: Sounds like a good name for the app as well :o)
[15:46] #knownspace> Dan: Larry, you & Jerry are the reason I went to my first LibertyCon, they liked me so much that I got adopted, LOL!
[15:47] #knownspace> iFred: unlike bat rat bastard will be that I rode in a bus for 14 hours to see and he didn't show up
[15:48] #knownspace> iFred: 'will wheaton'
[15:48] #knownspace> Hippy: It's Chattanooga, but there's no train to there! How stupid is that?
[15:48] #knownspace> Hippy: And I have to get there late in the afternoon because that's all the flights they have. You see, with a booth it would be different
[15:48] #knownspace> dmac44: JumpShift technology would change the geopolitical structure of the world. Wealth would no longer be concentrated along water transport routes.
[15:48] #knownspace> Louis_Wu: "The South's Friendliest Science Fiction Convention"....I dont like the implications
[15:49] #knownspace> Dan: My wife & I will be there a day early.
[15:49] #knownspace> Hippy: I thought about doing that, but was shouted down
[15:49] #knownspace> Hippy: Not by anyone here
[15:49] #knownspace> NickE: :-)
[15:50] #knownspace> Dan: It's about a 3.5 hour drive for us. But we have to go to Atlanta to get to Chattanooga.
[15:50] #knownspace> NickE: Wish I could get out there. Sounds like a blast
[15:50] #knownspace> ronn: Dan: Flying Delta?
[15:50] #knownspace> SeanS: Wish you were coming as well, Nick
[15:50] #knownspace> Dan: Just driving, ronn.
[15:50] #knownspace> Hippy: Yes, that would be damn good fun
[15:50] #knownspace> iFred: Initially the booths will go in along existing trade routes anyway
[15:50] #knownspace> NickE: Was hoping that I'd get to Atlanta this year with work, but it 'aint happening now
[15:51] #knownspace> ronn: Referring to the old joke about wherever you fly on Delta, you have to go through Atlanta . . .
[15:51] #knownspace> Louis_Wu: Fred: Who ever could afford them first....?
[15:51] #knownspace> Dan: I spent more time driving when we went to New Mexico a couple of weeks ago tht we did sitting in the airplanes to get there & back.
[15:53] #knownspace> Larry: USAir sold my connecting flight last weekend. I spent the night in the Phoenix Airport.
[15:53] #knownspace> NickE: bummer
[15:53] #knownspace> Dan: I'd like to suggest to Larry that if yet another sequel to Inferno happens, that the Atlanta airport would be the perfect model for Hell's Waiting Room. :) The TSA in Atlanta are really nasty folks.
[15:53] #knownspace> Hippy: Good God, that sucks
[15:53] #knownspace> NickE: have to agree that Atlanta Airport was not much fun
[15:54] #knownspace> Louis_Wu: Larry: Gads....doing what??
[15:54] #knownspace> Hippy: No airport is fun
[15:54] #knownspace> Larry: Nice idea. You're dead, you're on your way to Hell, you debark in Atlanta.
[15:54] #knownspace> NickE: Mombassa was easier!
[15:54] #knownspace> NickE: heh
[15:55] #knownspace> Dan: And does the Denver airport really exist? I've only ever seen it at a dead run from one end to the other. Just a colorful blur, really.
[15:55] #knownspace> ronn: Atlanta airport? How about being stuck on 285? o_O
[15:55] #knownspace> Larry: I was coming back from ComicPalooza in Houston. Arriving, USAir lost my luggage.
[15:56] #knownspace> iFred: Larry, you have lots of fans in Phoenix, we'd have taken you out!
[15:56] #knownspace> Dan: 285 is less of a terror now that I'm older. I just pick a lane and look dangerous.
[15:57] #knownspace> Jim: Remember, USAir begins with you.
[15:57] #knownspace> ronn: Dan: Not sure that helps with the people cutting across lanes to exit, or those who use the shoulder as an extra lane . . .
[15:58] #knownspace> SeanS: gotta do some small things in the yard and then head down the street for a friend's daughter HS grad party
[15:58] #knownspace> Jim: SeanS, was I supposed to get an e-mail reminding me of the chat. My address is
[15:58] #knownspace> Dan: ronn, they seem to avoid me now. Besides, if body language can be said to exist for automobiles, I can read theirs and know what they're about to do before they do it.
[15:59] #knownspace> SeanS: oops. I guess I goofed.
[15:59] #knownspace> Jim: Thanks!
[15:59] #knownspace> Hippy: This luggage story leads me to think that you wouldn't need hotels because you can flick in to the tourist spot, and then flick back home at the end of the day. So no need to carry luggage, so you don't fill the booth with it and ti doesn't get lost
[15:59] #knownspace> dmac44: Is there only one provider of JumpShift services in the JumpShift universe? If not than some of the travel service issues we've been talking about may provide some ideas for stories.
[16:00] #knownspace> iFred: Good point. Like different gauge railroad tracks.
[16:00] #knownspace> Louis_Wu: Hippy: I think you're right...more than a few industries would be decimated
[16:00] #knownspace> iFred: Some state or country border where you get stopped
[16:00] #knownspace> Jim: I have yet to experience the TSA. The last time that I flew was in the 1990's.
[16:00] #knownspace> Hippy: The European booths were different in 'Flash Crowd'
[16:01] #knownspace> Dan: dmac, I think those travel agencies would just sell you a package deal to get to your different destinations, like booking a tour.
[16:01] #knownspace> iFred: I always wondered how big known space booths are
[16:01] #knownspace> iFred: If you can fit a kin
[16:02] #knownspace> Hippy: Wide enough for a puppeteer, too
[16:02] #knownspace> iFred: Or a human and A puppeteer at the same time
[16:02] #knownspace> Larry: Yeah, I thought of that. Hotels are almost obsolete. The meeting rooms still get used if they're cheap enough.
[16:02] #knownspace> iFred: You'd still need hotels for assignations
[16:02] #knownspace> Dan: Jim, the Albuquerque TSA were friendly, helpful people. The ones in Atlanta seem to have been recruted from the ranks of sicopaths who'd been rejected as chain gang guards.
[16:03] #knownspace> Jim: I suppose you could have parties in the hotel rooms that one must purchase in order to get the free meeting room.
[16:03] #knownspace> iFred: Hotel rooms would also be dependent on whether booths took you directly home
[16:03] #knownspace> Jim: Dan, did you hear about the defrocked pedophile priest who was discovered working for the TSA?
[16:03] #knownspace> Hippy: Even now, hotels sell themselves on the hotel itself, not the location. I get heaps of junk mail and junk phnone about staying at resorts that have nothing but the resort
[16:04] #knownspace> iFred: If boobs take you to a cab stand, and it's a half hour ride to your house, you might want to stay in the hotel
[16:04] #knownspace> Hippy: So hotels become day spas
[16:04] #knownspace> Louis_Wu: Fred: Freudian slip....? :o)
[16:04] #knownspace> Dan: I read about that, Jim. Shocking, but didn't surpirze me at all. That's the sort that Atlanta looks for in a new hire TSA creep.
[16:04] #knownspace> Hippy: I would put booths where there are taffic lights now
[16:04] #knownspace> iFred: I said booths, not boobs. Honest. I really did.
[16:04] #knownspace> ronn: iFred: Big enough boobs will take you almost anywhere.
[16:04] #knownspace> iFred: Using speech to text
[16:04] #knownspace> Jim: Hippy, not the hotels we have here on the interstates.
[16:05] #knownspace> Louis_Wu: ronn: Unless....your a dude
[16:05] #knownspace> Hippy: Jim, those would probably go. They would be hard to turn into day spas or 'retreats'
[16:06] #knownspace> Hippy: Of course, brothels might work
[16:06] #knownspace> Dan: Louis, it can work for us dudes, too. Just have to travel with a companion who is endowed with said glands.
[16:06] #knownspace> iFred: Was the priest officially defrocked, or just running around naked?
[16:07] #knownspace> Jim: defrocked, fired
[16:07] #knownspace> Jim: kicked out
[16:07] #knownspace> Larry: Hotel/brothels would be unoccupied most of the time. The girls would be on call.
[16:08] #knownspace> Hippy: But they can't come to your hosue because your wife is there, so you have to mett somewhere
[16:08] #knownspace> Louis_Wu: The gene pool would start to become a lot more homogenous....
[16:08] #knownspace> Hippy: Why?
[16:09] #knownspace> Louis_Wu: Hippy?
[16:09] #knownspace> iFred: Melting pot
[16:09] #knownspace> Hippy: Why would the gnee pool get more homogenous?
[16:09] #knownspace> iFred: You can party anywhere in the world, not just in your own neighborhood
[16:09] #knownspace> Dan: Hippy, remember the alternate lifestyles people can have. One's wife might have hired the hooker as a birthday present, or something similar. In fact, I know a few folks that wouldn't blink at such a thing today. :)
[16:10] #knownspace> Louis_Wu: Hippy: People who would normally never meet would be getting together, all over the planet
[16:10] #knownspace> Hippy: And suddenly I'll sleep with Asian women just because I can flick there? Or them here? I can get to Sweden, too
[16:10] #knownspace> Larry: Fred's right, or nearly. Don't try partying with various fanatics.
[16:10] #knownspace> Dan: Just because my wife & I are lockstepped, doesn't mean that everyone we know is also. :)
[16:11] #knownspace> Louis_Wu: I dont care if The Swedish Bikini Team are fanatics....
[16:11] #knownspace> Hippy: Ye,s but how does teleportation affect that, Dan?
[16:11] #knownspace> Dan: It simply means that leaving home for a hook up with a hooker wouldn't always be needed.
[16:12] #knownspace> AgincourtDB: the same way ebay affected the market for collectibles.
[16:12] #knownspace> Hippy: But tha's true now, Dan
[16:12] #knownspace> Dan: Larry said that the booth universe begins now. :)
[16:12] #knownspace> Hippy: So now we add someting like the Internet to the JumpShift universe
[16:13] #knownspace> Dan: Craig'sList would get even crazier. Yes.
[16:13] #knownspace> Hippy: Hmm. There goes the Post Office. What do you need it for?
[16:14] #knownspace> Larry: Yeah, add the Internet...but the JumpShift universe began in the 1970s. I'll change that if I resume writing now.
[16:15] #knownspace> Hippy: Let's say I have a booth at the end of my street, then. I don't have one in the hosue due to insurance problems
[16:15] #knownspace> AgincourtDB: it's a bus stop
[16:15] #knownspace> Hippy: So I order my LibertyCon whiskly collection and some punks gatehr round the booth and won't let me get to it till I pay them some money
[16:15] #knownspace> AgincourtDB: but every bus stop in the world is one stop away
[16:15] #knownspace> Dan: Add in text-to-speech, speech-to-text, video both recorded and live, VOIP, and all the rest of the gimmics we're adding to the internet every day.
[16:16] #knownspace> AgincourtDB: it would have to be delivered by courier
[16:16] #knownspace> AgincourtDB: the mailman would use the booth, not the package itself
[16:16] #knownspace> Hippy: Armer courier, but he can't get out of the booth
[16:16] #knownspace> AgincourtDB: so he calls the cops
[16:16] #knownspace> Dan: Hippy, order it through Mad Mike Williamson, he's always armed.
[16:16] #knownspace> AgincourtDB: who flick in to every nearby booth, ruffians are surrounded
[16:17] #knownspace> Hippy: There's a lot of commerce and a lot of ruffians
[16:17] #knownspace> Hippy: However, sine they can flick anywhere to actually get a job, there might not be that many. No slums, because everyone can leave the slums
[16:17] #knownspace> Dan: MadMike usually takes LibertyCon guest writers out to a nearby target range to shoot.
[16:18] #knownspace> AgincourtDB: I doubt the existance of ubiquitous ruffians in such a universe
[16:18] #knownspace> Hippy: I would like to try that, Dan
[16:18] #knownspace> AgincourtDB: what hippy said
[16:18] #knownspace> AgincourtDB: btw, "Ubiquitous Ruffians" is now my new band name
[16:18] #knownspace> Dan: Me too, so far I'm too low on the scale of pro writers to have been invited.
[16:18] #knownspace> Hippy: However, looting in flash crowds happens, so some kind of extortion blockade might also work
[16:19] #knownspace> Louis_Wu: Too easy to fix :o)
[16:19] #knownspace> AgincourtDB: yeah, but they're doing it largely for sport, aren't they? If I remember the story
[16:19] #knownspace> AgincourtDB: or was that Sharrol?
[16:20] #knownspace> Hippy: The Permanent Floating Riot Club made a good living at it
[16:20] #knownspace> ronn: Dan: Why does he want to shoot writers?
[16:20] #knownspace> ronn: (Tho I suppose everyone has wanted to do that to some writers at some time . . .)
[16:20] #knownspace> Hippy: Next we consider kidnapping by hacking the booth networks
[16:20] #knownspace> Dan: I'm suddenly reminded of a short story wherein a baby gets born during a teleport jump and the teleports all stop working until the proatgonist activates a booth without entering a destination code...
[16:21] #knownspace> Hippy: You dial home and end up in Mombasa chock full of experimental vaccines
[16:21] #knownspace> NickE: heh
[16:21] #knownspace> NickE: (still here, slightly distracted)
[16:22] #knownspace> AgincourtDB: There's the Will and Tom Riker scenario of course
[16:22] #knownspace> Dan: Doesn't dound like one of Larry's stories. Wonder where I read it and who wrote it?
[16:22] #knownspace> Hippy: And how fast can a smallpox carrier get around the world before you can track them and stop them?
[16:22] #knownspace> Jim: autodocs!
[16:22] #knownspace> AgincourtDB: Hippy: the booth would have to have a filter
[16:22] #knownspace> Larry: I recall the story, but not title or author.
[16:22] #knownspace> Dan: Combine autodocs with jump booths?
[16:22] #knownspace> Jim: mandatory autodocs time for international travel?
[16:23] #knownspace> NickE: that would make sense
[16:23] #knownspace> AgincourtDB: Dan: a booth would have to have an autodoc's person-reading capacity by definition anyway
[16:23] #knownspace> NickE: unless that's not how it wortks
[16:23] #knownspace> Hippy: Not according to Larry's story, Agincourtt
[16:23] #knownspace> AgincourtDB: I mean, at the very least
[16:23] #knownspace> NickE: (quantum level scan is very ST)
[16:23] #knownspace> Dan: Add in the rejuve booths from AWOOT and all your medical needs would be covered every time you teleport, LOL!
[16:23] #knownspace> AgincourtDB: in order to work it would have to be able to instantly map a person
[16:24] #knownspace> Hippy: Whatever mass you put in gets turned to a 'transition particle' and that's all she wrote
[16:24] #knownspace> AgincourtDB: and if that tech is available, it would be used in autodocs, at least top-of-the-line models
[16:24] #knownspace> NickE: it's actually a neater explanation
[16:25] #knownspace> AgincourtDB: but then what converts you at the other end and how, according to what instructions?
[16:25] #knownspace> Hippy: Over to Larry for that one :)
[16:25] #knownspace> AgincourtDB: hehe
[16:25] #knownspace> NickE: well, that' snot entirely clear, but I bet it involves "quantum" something :-)
[16:26] #knownspace> AgincourtDB: handwave ;-)
[16:26] #knownspace> Hippy: Well, yes, but it' snot always about the science :)
[16:26] #knownspace> NickE: some kind of tunneling effect on teh macro scale
[16:26] #knownspace> Larry: Neutrinos can be intercepted. I presume a superneutrino can too. And its location is uncertain, so there's a big target area to catch it.
[16:26] #knownspace> AgincourtDB: but how it works might give you your story
[16:26] #knownspace> Dan: I would think that the conversion to a transition particle would entail something that acts as a self-extracting EXE file. :)
[16:27] #knownspace> AgincourtDB: Dan: interesting notion, but self-extracting EXE files contain the very 'map' I'm talking about, by way of a programmed list of instructions
[16:27] #knownspace> Dan: Exactly!
[16:27] #knownspace> Larry: handwave? Moi?
[16:27] #knownspace> NickE: but as a "natural" effect of "reading" the transitionj partickle. The waveform collapses back to teh matter that it started as
[16:27] #knownspace> AgincourtDB: your sending unit has to create that map, and to do that, it has to have a perfect map of the person
[16:27] #knownspace> Hippy: Or picture it as something like matter annihilating antimatter. The matter doens't have to 'map' the antimatter to annihilate it
[16:28] #knownspace> NickE: that sounds closer
[16:28] #knownspace> NickE: well that oo
[16:28] #knownspace> NickE: well that too
[16:28] #knownspace> Dan: My point was that the process of creating the transition particle would seem to imply that the map is made at the same time.
[16:28] #knownspace> NickE: :-)
[16:28] #knownspace> AgincourtDB: matter V antimatter is an uncontrolled reaction, hard to see how it's a equivalent to recreating a person from a 'transition particle'
[16:29] #knownspace> AgincourtDB: yeah, but my point Dan was that something has to create that map, and to do so, it would have to read the person completely
[16:29] #knownspace> NickE: "map" is probably too specific a wprd for it
[16:29] #knownspace> Dan: Nick, it gets the point across well enough for us to debate about it. :)
[16:30] #knownspace> NickE: or it's some complete "super quantums state" of teh booth contents
[16:30] #knownspace> AgincourtDB: Like when rich people buy a scottish castle and move it to New jersey... *every brick* is labeled and put on a plan
[16:30] #knownspace> NickE: (sorry about all the ""
[16:30] #knownspace> Hippy: The 'sned' process stores the quantum state of every particle in the mass that's being sent. The 'receive' process just alters the state of the superneutrino back to the quantum state of those particles. 'Theoyr and Practic eof Tleleportation'
[16:30] #knownspace> NickE: yep
[16:30] #knownspace> AgincourtDB: ok, so that's the map then
[16:30] #knownspace> Louis_Wu: What if the whole thing is a trick....?
[16:31] #knownspace> AgincourtDB: meaning QED there is a map, and something read you to create the map
[16:31] #knownspace> NickE: but it does not require a map as such
[16:31] #knownspace> Hippy: It's the universe that moves and the booth stays still !
[16:31] #knownspace> NickE: in that you could not break it down
[16:31] #knownspace> AgincourtDB: the map doesn't have to be separate to be a map
[16:31] #knownspace> NickE: I think we're basically saying the same thing
[16:31] #knownspace> AgincourtDB: somewhere, there is a record of which bits go where
[16:31] #knownspace> AgincourtDB: probably, lol
[16:32] #knownspace> Louis_Wu: What if only the instructions get sent...? They make a copy at the destinations....and (yikes) destroy the original....?
[16:32] #knownspace> Hippy: Yeah, probably, but is Agincourt leading to copying the map?
[16:32] #knownspace> Dan: I thought about that. Teleportation wherein the person stays in the same place and the machine disolves and then recreates the universe around them.
[16:32] #knownspace> NickE: even if it's as flutuatins in zero poit energy
[16:32] #knownspace> AgincourtDB: Hippy: or altering it, or substituting one for the other
[16:32] #knownspace> NickE: or something like that
[16:33] #knownspace> Dan: I thought it's get needlessly messy to rebuild the universe every time I needed to go get more beer from the store.
[16:33] #knownspace> Hippy: Well, I think Larry ruled that out for the JumpShift universe
[16:33] #knownspace> NickE: What I mean is you couldn't duplicate the map
[16:33] #knownspace> AgincourtDB: Dan: plus. rude! ;-)
[16:33] #knownspace> AgincourtDB: NickE: if the reciever can read it, it can be duplicated
[16:33] #knownspace> Dan: Indeed! Manners are still necessary, even today.
[16:33] #knownspace> Dan: :)
[16:33] #knownspace> Jim: Is there a copy of the "Theory and Practice of Teleportation" on-line somewhere?
[16:34] #knownspace> AgincourtDB: nothing in the cloud is secure, ever.
[16:34] #knownspace> Larry: lunch calls. Fare you well. Thanks for the help.
[16:34] #knownspace> AgincourtDB: bye Larry!
[16:34] #knownspace> Dan: Bye, Larry!
[16:34] #knownspace> Jim: Fare thee well!
[16:34] #knownspace> Hippy: You're most welcome, Larry. If it was help. . . :)
[16:34] #knownspace> NickE: night
[16:34] #knownspace> ronn: Bye, Larry! Be well!
[16:34] #knownspace> Hippy: See you next month!
[16:34] #knownspace> AgincourtDB: now where were we?
[16:34] #knownspace> AgincourtDB: lol
[16:34] #knownspace> Jim: Has Ed been showing up here?
[16:35] #knownspace> Hippy: The alst couple of months he has
[16:35] #knownspace> Dan: Occasionally.
[16:35] #knownspace> Dan: My work schedule keeps me from attending chats with any sort of regularity.
[16:35] #knownspace> NickE: Aggie, not sure that necessarily follows
[16:35] #knownspace> AgincourtDB: If you need a receiver, something is reading the map
[16:36] #knownspace> ronn: "AgincourtDB> now where were we?"
[16:36] #knownspace> ronn: Sounds like someone has been using transfer booths too much . . .
[16:36] #knownspace> AgincourtDB: if you don't need a receiver, you don't have booths, you have transporters
[16:36] #knownspace> Dan: "Where are we THIS time?"
[16:36] #knownspace> Dan: LOL!
[16:36] #knownspace> Hippy: I did think of " "Wish you were here. Oh, you are :("
[16:37] #knownspace> AgincourtDB: well... unless the receiver is a physical necessity, for 'catching' the transition particle
[16:37] #knownspace> Hippy: Which it is
[16:37] #knownspace> AgincourtDB: ok
[16:37] #knownspace> ronn: "If it's Tuesday, it must be Belgium"?
[16:37] #knownspace> NickE: mmm. See where you are goind with that. It just seems a bit too ST and convenient (as such)
[16:37] #knownspace> Hippy: I was gtoing to say, that
[16:37] #knownspace> AgincourtDB: so, ok, then here's my scenario....
[16:37] #knownspace> NickE: Catching Yeah, thats closer. Remeber the Jump ship?
[16:37] #knownspace> AgincourtDB: the sending unit is hacked. When it creates your map, it makes a copy and sends it to haxx0rz.
[16:38] #knownspace> ronn: "AgincourtDB> if you don't need a receiver, you don't have booths, you have transporters"
[16:38] #knownspace> ronn: And, according to TaPoT, a short war.
[16:38] #knownspace> Dan: I like Trek transporters, the scan & reconstruct system allows editing of the reassembled transportee. But Larry's teleport booths are far more elegant a solution.
[16:38] #knownspace> AgincourtDB: ronn: yeah
[16:39] #knownspace> NickE: yah
[16:39] #knownspace> Hippy: For the sake of the scenario, I'll agree that they can copy
[16:39] #knownspace> Hippy: But they can't
[16:39] #knownspace> AgincourtDB: hehe
[16:39] #knownspace> Hippy: So, then what happens?
[16:39] #knownspace> AgincourtDB: Hippy: for a mission-critical device like this, there are going to be backup systems
[16:40] #knownspace> Dan: As I understand it, Larry's booths can't make copies, but Trek-style could.
[16:40] #knownspace> AgincourtDB: your hacked doesn't even touch the primary systems, he just takes control of the backup systems
[16:40] #knownspace> NickE: oh you can ceratinly argue that, but evidence in Larrys stories is that they dont. Or at least the ones hes written :-)
[16:40] #knownspace> Dan: But I'd be happy to be corrected if I'm mistaken.
[16:40] #knownspace> AgincourtDB: evidence that they don't or lack of evidence that they do?
[16:40] #knownspace> Hippy: The latter, I suppose
[16:40] #knownspace> NickE: conced lack of evidebce that they do
[16:41] #knownspace> ronn: "AgincourtDB> Hippy: for a mission-critical device like this, there are going to be backup systems"
[16:41] #knownspace> ronn: Backup reminds me of a drain . . .
[16:41] #knownspace> Hippy: And copying is mentioned in TaPoT, so. . .
[16:41] #knownspace> AgincourtDB: Dan: not a copy of you, a copy of your map
[16:41] #knownspace> Hippy: Doesn't that amount to the same thing?
[16:41] #knownspace> AgincourtDB: which is then used to do mischief TBDL
[16:41] #knownspace> Dan: Ah! I thought at in Trek, the map *is* the territory, LOL!
[16:41] #knownspace> AgincourtDB: nope, Hippy, because it's not associated with a transition particle
[16:42] #knownspace> AgincourtDB: it's a lonely little (big) data file
[16:42] #knownspace> Hippy: So, to make a copy, you find more mass from somewhere and make a second Dan
[16:42] #knownspace> ronn: "Dan> As I understand it, Larry's booths can't make copies, but Trek-style could."
[16:42] #knownspace> Dan: Oh well, I'm willing to conceed that I'm not bright enough to usderstand such things. :)
[16:42] #knownspace> ronn: And then you have replicators. And the problems mentioned in the last few _Venus Equilateral_ stories.
[16:42] #knownspace> Louis_Wu: Yikes...can you use the map to convert one person INTO another....?
[16:42] #knownspace> AgincourtDB: I'd think that would be difficult... your system would want to use the mass's pre-existing map
[16:42] #knownspace> Hippy: Or you edit the map and make a second Megan Fox
[16:43] #knownspace> Akiraa: there are many backup horror stories
[16:43] #knownspace> AgincourtDB: Hippy: now you're talking, lol ;-)
[16:43] #knownspace> Louis_Wu: Hippy: Nonono....a harem of Foxes
[16:43] #knownspace> AgincourtDB: A foxy harem even
[16:43] #knownspace> Louis_Wu: Agin: Hey now! :oD
[16:43] #knownspace> Dan: Lous, if you allow a teleport that is editable map-generating, then yes. You could indeed turn someone into someone else with such a system.
[16:44] #knownspace> Hippy: Well, now the homeless can be made use of
[16:44] #knownspace> Hippy: In fact, soylent green would be people
[16:44] #knownspace> Dan: Or any needed mass to make copies could be used. A bucketfull of sand to copy a Ming vase...
[16:45] #knownspace> Louis_Wu: Sounds like an interesting criminal sentence
[16:45] #knownspace> Akiraa: a mmo set in ringworld?
[16:45] #knownspace> AgincourtDB: In fact... I'm going to go further and say the company that built the machines would build in a map-keeping circuit/program. Companies always keep your personal information when they're not supposed to/longer than they're supposed to.
[16:45] #knownspace> Hippy: Well, speaking of criminal sentneces, if you can teleport them and store them for 100 years, they could serve their sentence nearly cost free
[16:45] #knownspace> ronn: Only if they set their shower to "03Green"
[16:46] #knownspace> Louis_Wu: "You units of matter and patterns of force will be converted to Stephen Hawking v10333.8"
[16:46] #knownspace> Dan: Fred Pohl's transporters from the CooCoo stories, for instance. That was mentioned on the list recently, wasn't it?
[16:46] #knownspace> AgincourtDB: they'll track your movements to send you targeted advertising
[16:46] #knownspace> AgincourtDB: the bastards
[16:46] #knownspace> Akiraa: what about a digital hell, your mind is uploaded in a computer and made to experience centuries of subjective-time terrors
[16:46] #knownspace> Louis_Wu: Hippy: Its not a punishment if you're in limbo and presumably have no perception of time passing
[16:46] #knownspace> Akiraa: in mere minutes
[16:47] #knownspace> AgincourtDB: Akiraa: done to O'Brien in DS9, near enough
[16:47] #knownspace> NickE: Ian M Banks Surface Detail deakt with virtuakl Hells
[16:47] #knownspace> Hippy: Louis, then you get into questions of what imprisonment is all about
[16:47] #knownspace> Akiraa: also done to Picard in TNG :)
[16:47] #knownspace> ronn: "AgincourtDB> they'll track your movements to send you targeted advertising"
[16:47] #knownspace> ronn: Intelligent toilets connected to the Internet?
[16:47] #knownspace> AgincourtDB: lolol
[16:47] #knownspace> Dan: BRB, rented coffee...
[16:47] #knownspace> AgincourtDB: yeah, we all know teleportation can be used in... evacuations.
[16:48] #knownspace> Hippy: Well, if my toilet cann teleport, there's probably a market out there
[16:49] #knownspace> Akiraa: it can only teleport processed organic matter?
[16:50] #knownspace> Dan: Or inorganic, given the state of Fast Food these days.
[16:50] #knownspace> Dan: :)
[16:50] #knownspace> Hippy: I suppose I don't need a toilet, I can put anything in there
[16:50] #knownspace> Hippy: So I have one bin for everything. None of this ferreting around liek a raccoon (mixed metaphor!) for recycling purposes
[16:51] #knownspace> Akiraa: teleporting sort of works, only the result looks like mush
[16:51] #knownspace> Akiraa: we hope to send solid mush in the future version
[16:51] #knownspace> Hippy: LOL!
[16:51] #knownspace> Louis_Wu: Hmmmm....okay; so sewage plants just become receivers with instructions (maps?) of McDonald's menu items...?
[16:51] #knownspace> Akiraa: most of your atoms are there, just not in the same configuration
[16:51] #knownspace> NickE: "tastes like cumin"
[16:52] #knownspace> Hippy: ROTFLOL!!
[16:52] #knownspace> NickE: lol
[16:52] #knownspace> Dan: Sorting things for recycling can tak my wife hours. I can't get her to use a different bin for paper, plastic, glass, and cans. :( I've bought the bins, she just won't use each for a single class of items.
[16:52] #knownspace> AgincourtDB: hey, have you guys considered doing a Niven Chat on Google Hangout?
[16:52] #knownspace> NickE: gotchat
[16:53] #knownspace> Hippy: Well, I can't say I have
[16:53] #knownspace> ronn: "Louis_Wu> Hippy: Its not a punishment if you're in limbo and presumably have no perception of time passing"
[16:53] #knownspace> ronn: That's always been my objection to the idea of prisons where the prisoners are stored in suspended animation for nn years. As far as they're concerned, [presumably] the first thing they know is that they wake up and its decades later, but they are still exactly the same person as they were when they were sentenced, with the same tendency toward crime or violence or whatever . . . just...
[16:53] #knownspace> ronn: ...totally unemployable because their knowledge and skills are that far out of date. The only positive effect is that their victims (and possible future victims) are protected from them, but there are cheaper ways to do that which are more permanent . . .
[16:54] #knownspace> Dan: I think we'd keep the IRC chat in memory of Frank, actually. No matter what else we'd find to chat with.
[16:54] #knownspace> Hippy: Well, there you are ronn. That's the social question, I suppose you could say
[16:54] #knownspace> Louis_Wu: ronn: I tend to agree. I've always thought of "justice" as the intellectualization of revenge
[16:55] #knownspace> AgincourtDB: I'm not saying necessarily in lieu of, but perhaps in addition to? as something to try?
[16:55] #knownspace> Dan: I agree with ronn on that question. If the prisoner never feels the passage of time, there isn't a deterrent effect.
[16:56] #knownspace> Hippy: But you don't need to deter - oh, yes, I see. Deter other people
[16:56] #knownspace> dmac44: revenge versus reabilitation, is that the question?
[16:56] #knownspace> Akiraa: "Welcome to Life"
[16:56] #knownspace> Louis_Wu: Dan: There are things in which deterrence is pointless
[16:56] #knownspace> Dan: I have a step-son-in-law locked up right now, so I've been made aware of the workings of prisons.
[16:56] #knownspace> Hippy: Has it stopped you doing all that killing, though?
[16:57] #knownspace> ronn: "Dan> I agree with ronn on that question. If the prisoner never feels the passage of time, there isn't a deterrent effect."
[16:57] #knownspace> ronn: Nor has the possibility at least of thinking about what he has done, perhaps leading to remorse and repentance and rehabilitation . . .
[16:57] #knownspace> Dan: The thought of being locked up has certainly kept *me* from killing several people that were annoying.
[16:59] #knownspace> Hippy: There's really no way to test how good a seterrent it is. I suppose you could interview people and aks them whther prison's a deterrent, but it seems that it isn't in the US or Australia
[16:59] #knownspace> Dan: My first wife, for example. Being a battered spouce back then made me think about all the possibilities the future could hold for me. She yet lives as a result.
[16:59] #knownspace> Hippy: The prison populatkon here is increasing faster than the whole population
[17:00] #knownspace> dmac44: Hippy: Going back to your roots? :)
[17:01] #knownspace> Hippy: And actually, yes. Proudly descended from a handkerchief thief :)
[17:01] #knownspace> dmac44: Hippy: Send the convicts to the moon.
[17:01] #knownspace> Hippy: I wish Larry was here to get tthat recerence :)
[17:01] #knownspace> AgincourtDB: dmac44: they'd just hitch a ride back with the Nazis
[17:01] #knownspace> Louis_Wu: Organ banks....
[17:02] #knownspace> Dan: Georgia was also a prison colony, originally. And people wonder why the general crime rate is what it is here, LOL!
[17:02] #knownspace> dmac44: Ah, the moon is a harsh mistress.
[17:03] #knownspace> Hippy: Suppose you convict someone and later acquit them. The teleport method means he hasn't been 'imprisoned' as such, but only some time has passed. If you can copy him, you can use his organs and then recosntitutute him later from the mass of some other prisoner
[17:04] #knownspace> Dan: My own direct ancestor entered the US as an indentured servant, ran away from his indenture in New York, and eventually became a wealthy landowner in N. Carolina.
[17:05] #knownspace> Dan: Dad's side of the family. Mom's side of the family were here when the europeans arrived. :)
[17:05] #knownspace> AgincourtDB: ok folks I'm off. Talk to you guys later ;-)
[17:05] #knownspace> Dan: Bye, Aggie!
[17:05] #knownspace> Hippy: See you, AgincourtDB
[17:05] #knownspace> ronn: Bye!
[17:06] #knownspace> Jim: For many in the United States, nothing about prison is a deterent. Not the homosexuality, not the bad food, not the violence, nothing.
[17:06] #knownspace> Jim: bye dave
[17:06] #knownspace> dmac44: I'm heading off too. Talk to you all next month.
[17:06] #knownspace> Jim: bye dmac44
[17:07] #knownspace> ronn: Bye!
[17:07] #knownspace> Louis_Wu: Its dinner time here; thanks for having me!
[17:07] #knownspace> Hippy: No trouble at all :)
[17:08] #knownspace> Jim: bye Louis Wu
[17:08] #knownspace> Louis_Wu: Steps to the disk and---ARGH!
[17:08] #knownspace> Hippy: Exactly, Jim. And if it isn't a deterrent, why spend money on it when you can store the person away and keep them from harming people?
[17:08] #knownspace> Jim: Indeed.
[17:09] #knownspace> Jim: How are your eyes, Hippy?
[17:09] #knownspace> Hippy: Pretty good, Jim. Off to the Eye and Ear hospitla tomorrow for a checkup, make sure the cornea isn't rejecting
[17:10] #knownspace> Hippy: Of course, I'v enow been diagnosed with diabetees, so now I've got to keep an eye on the retina as well
[17:10] #knownspace> Jim: I had a pretty good job interview with the Bureau of Reclamation in Bismarck, ND.
[17:10] #knownspace> Hippy: Fortunately they're on stalks and can move independently
[17:10] #knownspace> Jim: I have been a diabetic since 1994.
[17:11] #knownspace> ronn: The Bureau of Reclamation is on stalks?
[17:11] #knownspace> Jim: No problems with the eyes yet.
[17:11] #knownspace> Hippy: Well, that's something
[17:11] #knownspace> Jim: Bismarck is the capital of North Dakota.
[17:12] #knownspace> Hippy: At the moment they're just seeing whether I cna control my blood sugar with a change of diet, but I hate having to get off the beer
[17:12] #knownspace> Jim: Beer is OK in moderation. Don't let them tell you otherwise.
[17:13] #knownspace> Hippy: Oh, yes, but apparently I was being a tad immoderate :)
[17:13] #knownspace> Jim: Yes, I had to learn the lesson of moderation.
[17:13] #knownspace> Hippy: Still no longer falling asleep in the afternoons, so something is working well
[17:13] #knownspace> NickE: beer foamy
[17:14] #knownspace> Jim: Back in the day, I could almost finish a keg by myself.
[17:14] #knownspace> Hippy: In fact, all the pamphlets seem to say just to keep fit, eat right, don't let the mosquitoes bite etc
[17:14] #knownspace> Hippy: Ah, yes, American beer :)
[17:15] #knownspace> Jim: Hippy, Lagers are what is drank in Aus, is it not?
[17:15] #knownspace> Dan: canoe-sex beer? I remember that old saying.
[17:15] #knownspace> Akiraa: Hippy what if you get rid of bread and other grains?
[17:16] #knownspace> Hippy: Mostly lager, yes, but there are more of these small breweries cropping up with India Pale Ales, stouts, poorters and other nonsense
[17:16] #knownspace> Jim: Stouts and porters are good in moderation.
[17:17] #knownspace> Hippy: Akiraa, that's what they're having me do now. Make alterations and see what works, but over the last month it hasn't worked well enough
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[17:17] #knownspace> Jim: Who is Bandersnatch?
[17:17] #knownspace> bandersnatch: it is I
[17:18] #knownspace> Jim: Uwe, is that you?
[17:18] #knownspace> NickE: hi
[17:18] #knownspace> bandersnatch: yup
[17:18] #knownspace> bandersnatch: good evening ( from my timezone at least )
[17:18] #knownspace> Hippy: Good morning from mine
[17:18] #knownspace> Jim: It can be called evening in WV now. 1719 hours, EST.
[17:19] #knownspace> Jim: EDT sorry
[17:19] #knownspace> Hippy: There's a bright golden haze on the meadow
[17:19] #knownspace> Akiraa: not that Uwe?
[17:19] #knownspace> Akiraa: Boll
[17:19] #knownspace> Hippy: But it's cold and cloudy off it
[17:19] #knownspace> bandersnatch: depends on who "that uwe" is supposed to be ;-)
[17:20] #knownspace> Akiraa: the uwe of movie fame
[17:20] #knownspace> Jim: Uwe Klein from northern Germany?
[17:20] #knownspace> bandersnatch: Ochsenknecht ? from "Das Boot" ?
[17:20] #knownspace> Akiraa: it was (perhaps still is) possible to write off losses from a movie and get tax credits
[17:20] #knownspace> bandersnatch: DE, yes
[17:20] #knownspace> Akiraa: so uwe exploited that loophole to destroy a bunch of classics
[17:21] #knownspace> Jim: Production companies do it all the time.
[17:21] #knownspace> Jim: in Canada.
[17:21] #knownspace> Hippy: Every damn where. The worst thing to happpen to the movie industry was accounting
[17:22] #knownspace> Jim: yup
[17:23] #knownspace> bandersnatch: Blubberella : outch!
[17:23] #knownspace> Jim: According to official Hollywood accounting, Star Wars has yet to see a profit.
[17:24] #knownspace> bandersnatch: Everybody got rich from services then ?
[17:24] #knownspace> Hippy: That remind sme of audits we did. Back in the 1990's some of the movies invested in to make a loss suddenly started turningn a profit. There was outrage because the investorts had been promised that they would never make a profit and thus their tax deductions were safe. Such fun :)
[17:24] #knownspace> Jim: Yes.
[17:25] #knownspace> Jim: Except for the actors who were promised profit-sharing.
[17:26] #knownspace> Hippy: That was true for some of them, yes
[17:26] #knownspace> Hippy: Of course, some of the smarter ones invested themselves
[17:26] #knownspace> Hippy: All gone now, though :(
[17:31] #knownspace> Hippy: I just had an email from Lensman saying he can't get in to the chat
[17:31] #knownspace> NickE: ah
[17:31] #knownspace> Jim: I am still here, but I have been distracted.
[17:32] #knownspace> NickE: watchin some SGU for 1st time, so similarly distracted
[17:32] #knownspace> NickE: so far not bad
[17:32] #knownspace> Dan: I'm going to have to go do some more painting on the front porch. I'll be away for an hour or so...
[17:32] #knownspace> NickE: (1 1/2 eps in starting at ep 3)
[17:32] #knownspace> NickE: laters
[17:32] #knownspace> Jim: bye
[17:33] #knownspace> Hippy: Okay, Dan, see you upon your return
[17:33] #knownspace> Jim: yes
[17:33] #knownspace> Akiraa: How does Larry and Jerry feel about having worked at Rand Corp?
[17:33] #knownspace> Akiraa: or with them at least
[17:33] #knownspace> Jim: I do not know.
[17:34] #knownspace> Akiraa: back when Rand was promoting the idea if winnable nuclear war
[17:35] #knownspace> Jim: define winnable
[17:35] #knownspace> Hippy: They probably just admired them for using reason and logic, even if they didn't agree with all the politcis.
[17:35] #knownspace> Hippy: But Damien Broderick has suggested that 'Lucifers Hammer' and 'Footfall' are metaphors for the winnable nuclear war
[17:42] #knownspace> Jim: Only in some very broad way. The survivors of Lucifers Hammer did not have to worry about radioactive fallout.
[17:43] #knownspace> Jim: Footfall may have, indeed, been a metaphor for a winnable nuclear war.
[17:43] #knownspace> Jim: There were nuclear explosions in Footfall.
[17:44] #knownspace> Hippy: The idea seems to be that some indomitable part of American culture will survice, and that makes the war winnable. But I'll never forgive them for destroying London
[17:45] #knownspace> NickE: brb
[17:45] #knownspace> Hippy: No, they only destroyed it in the book Nick
[17:45] #knownspace> Hippy: It's probasbly right where you left it in real life
[17:47] #knownspace> Jim: It is about supper time, so I will leave now. Later
[17:50] #knownspace> Hippy: So, is anyone else going to watch the transit of Venus on the 6th of June?
[17:51] #knownspace> NickE: hope to rfemember to get up :-)
[17:51] #knownspace> NickE: saw the last one in (2005?)
[17:51] #knownspace> Hippy: I didn't know there was a last one that recently
[17:52] #knownspace> Hippy: I had intended to go to Tahiti to see it, but alas couldn't afford it
[17:53] #knownspace> Hippy: I'll probbly have to resort to the Internet to watch it, as they're tipping clouds, rain and other obfuscations for Wednesday
[17:54] #knownspace> NickE: will probably be the same in UK
[17:56] #knownspace> Hippy:
[18:00] #knownspace> Hippy: Well, gentlemen and bandernsatchi, I shall now depart to sieze the day, or at least part of it, and see you all on or about the 1st of July
[18:01] #knownspace> Hippy: Good luck to those of you wishing to paint Megan Fox
[18:01] #knownspace> NickE: ttfn Hippy
[18:01] #knownspace> Hippy: Don't step into any dodgy transfer booths
[18:02] #knownspace> Hippy: And just think of prison as like falling asleep :)
[18:03] #knownspace> Hippy: I might lurk for a bit as Lensman will probably want a transcript of the chat
[18:03] #knownspace> The_Sugared_Aort: Crap
[18:53] #knownspace> Hippy: Nobody has said anything while I've been away?????
[18:53] #knownspace> Dan: back for a bit. Losing the light to paint by now.
[18:54] #knownspace> Hippy: ]Gaining it here. Pity we can't teleport light :)
[18:57] #knownspace> SeanS: back from grad party
[18:57] #knownspace> Dan: My arms were getting tired as well. At least I now have the outside of the porch finished. Have to peel the remaining masking tape off, then start on the inside of the porch, later.
[18:58] #knownspace> Hippy: Good to see you back, Sean. I had an email from Lensman saying he couldn't get into the chat
[18:58] #knownspace> Dan: Welcome back, Sean.
[18:58] #knownspace> SeanS: don't know why not
[18:59] #knownspace> SeanS: hey dan
[18:59] #knownspace> Hippy: Never mind, I can email him a transcript
[18:59] #knownspace> SeanS: I dont think there is any kind of limit
[19:00] #knownspace> Dan: I had a little bit of trouble connecting, myself. But it only lasted a few minutes.
[19:04] #knownspace> Hippy: I don't even know what he';s using to connect
[19:04] #knownspace> Dan: Me neither.
[19:04] #knownspace> Hippy: Now, earlier, AgincourtDB asked whether we'd considered holding the chat in, on or at Google Hangout
[19:04] #knownspace> SeanS: just looked at the eris client config and there is no limit there
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[19:05] #knownspace> SeanS: not enough google + users
[19:05] #knownspace> Hippy: Ah, yes
[19:05] #knownspace> SeanS: thats forcing a semi painful signup just to get there
[19:06] #knownspace> SeanS: looking for the dancer configs
[19:06] #knownspace> Hippy: Good point
[19:06] #knownspace> Dan: I think my major trouble stemmed from an update to mIRC. As soon as I fired up the old copy, it connected straight away. The update probably has old server settings. I've got so many copies of mIRC in this computer that I sometimes don't know which one gets updated. :)
[19:10] #knownspace> Dan: I really ought to save the chat logs from those and then delete the clones. I really don't need them any more. mIRC can now have connections to several different networks at the same time.
[19:12] #knownspace> Hippy: That sounds more fun than painting the porch, anyway
[19:13] #knownspace> Hippy: On the gripping hand, I'm noticing a trend with everyone falling off the channel
[19:13] #knownspace> Dan: Well, porch painting is necessary. Freeing up a tiny bit of hard drive hasn't ever looked as needed.
[19:14] #knownspace> SeanS: ok, the only limiting factor i see is 20 links at a time for use in autoconnecting. that sounds like 20 links per IP so should have no effect
[19:15] #knownspace> Hippy: It could be anything
[19:15] #knownspace> SeanS: everyone falling off channel sounds like you are losing your link to the server and coming back on
[19:15] #knownspace> Hippy: Well, anything shourt of voodoo
[19:16] #knownspace> SeanS: that sounds like a net split but since i only have one server that would not be the case
[19:16] #knownspace> SeanS: let me take a closer look at the documentation of the Y line
[19:16] #knownspace> Hippy: I"m surprised Lens didn't email you to ask what was going on
[19:20] #knownspace> SeanS: Y: define connection class. A class must be defined in a Y: line before
[19:20] #knownspace> SeanS: # it is used in a C, N, or I line. The fields are, in order, class number,
[19:20] #knownspace> SeanS: # ping frequency in seconds, connect frequency in seconds, maximum
[19:20] #knownspace> SeanS: # number of links (used for auto-connecting), and size of sendq.
[19:20] #knownspace> SeanS: # For servers a sendq of at least 4mb is recommended if not more.
[19:20] #knownspace> SeanS: Y:1:90:0:200:100000
[19:21] #knownspace> SeanS: the zero sets no limit for each IP. the 200 was 20 and that could of been limiting the server to 20 connects
[19:25] #knownspace> SeanS: did anyone ever see the server go above 20 connects today?
[19:25] #knownspace> Dan: Didn't notice, sorry.
[19:25] #knownspace> Hippy: Well, all that being said, it's time for me to head around to the pathoogy place to get my blood tested, so I shall bid you all a fond, and this time, final farewell
[19:26] #knownspace> Hippy: See you in July
[19:26] #knownspace> SeanS: later hippy
[19:26] #knownspace> Dan: Bye! Hoping for good results on the blood test.
[19:26] #knownspace> Hippy: And at LibertyCon :)
[19:26] #knownspace> Hippy: Thanks, Dan
[19:26] #knownspace> fredskuentz: bw hippy
[19:26] #knownspace> Hippy: 'Bye Fred
[19:26] #knownspace> Hippy: Or was that 'btw'?
[19:27] #knownspace> fredskuentz: best wishes
[19:27] #knownspace> fredskuentz: bw was all I had the strength to type :)
[19:28] #knownspace> Hippy: Oh! Well, thank you! I'll be doing an update at in a couple of days, once I see the results, so keep your eyes and onions peeled for that
[19:28] #knownspace> Hippy: Hope that cmes good for you, too, Fred
[19:52] #knownspace> fredskuentz: ARgh! *NOW* Facebook tells me it's Carol from Berkeley's birthday today. It couldn't have told me BEFORE the chat???
[19:53] #knownspace> fredskuentz: anyway, if the list I am an exile from doesn't know, you might enlighten them. :)
[19:53] #knownspace> Dan: LOL!
[19:54] #knownspace> fredskuentz: seriously, FB posts a b'day announcement at 5 in the afternoon. Maybe it's midnight in India.
[19:56] #knownspace> SeanS: could be
[20:06] #knownspace> fredskuentz: Although apparently her bday *is* today and not tomorrow, so I give up
[20:06] #knownspace> fredskuentz: stupid facebook
[20:07] #knownspace> fredskuentz: btw, SeanS, I fell sound asleep, so if there's a chat transcript available I'd love to see what all Larry said? Please and thank you.
[20:08] #knownspace> fredskuentz: My backlog actually goes back to "Larry has left the chat" and not a line before. Sigh.
[20:13] #knownspace> SeanS: no worries. I will email you the day 's log to this point.
[20:13] #knownspace> fredskuentz: gracias
[20:18] #knownspace> SeanS: should be at your email addy's