Chat Log: September 7th, 2013

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2013-09-07 14:28:01 : <fredskuentz> Awesome DragonCon parade pics!
2013-09-07 14:28:17 : <fredskuentz> any objection if I link it on my Facebook page?
2013-09-07 15:27:47 : <andy> fredskuentz: none at all....that's why they're living on Google's servers instead of mine.
2013-09-07 16:28:32 : "Jim" joined the channel.
2013-09-07 16:28:40 : <Jim> hi
2013-09-07 16:41:19 : <sean> hey
2013-09-07 16:44:16 : <fredskuentz> hey Jim
2013-09-07 16:44:21 : <fredskuentz> cool andy, thanks
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2013-09-07 17:14:21 : <sean> wow... wku had 5 consecutive turnovers
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2013-09-07 17:41:54 : <sean> i see the number of pictures has increased from 700 to 897
2013-09-07 17:42:34 : <fredskuentz> lol, I'm only up to 600
2013-09-07 17:42:37 : <fredskuentz> pacing myself
2013-09-07 17:44:17 : <sean> i am on picture 17. the sleestack
2013-09-07 17:48:57 : <fredskuentz> I overdosed. I realized I was clicking mechanically.
2013-09-07 17:49:09 : <fredskuentz> but there's some great stuff in there
2013-09-07 17:49:30 : <sean> i just scanned them yesterday. going through one by one now. looking at k9
2013-09-07 17:56:40 : <sean> fraggles.... cool
2013-09-07 18:16:39 : "NickE" joined the channel.
2013-09-07 18:16:47 : <andy> hi Nick
2013-09-07 18:16:56 : <NickE> Hi Andy
2013-09-07 18:17:38 : <NickE> (will be eating and AFK shortly)
2013-09-07 18:21:48 : "frank" joined the channel.
2013-09-07 18:22:18 : <sean> Hello frank
2013-09-07 18:22:23 : <frank> Hi.
2013-09-07 18:22:58 : <frank> Fos some reason my usual nick is not available. I couldn't connect until I changed it.
2013-09-07 18:23:30 : <sean> i have not made any changes to the server. type /nick and the nickname and see if it changes
2013-09-07 18:24:07 : <frank> Just tried that again and it tells me the nick is already in use.
2013-09-07 18:24:36 : <frank> It must be cached or something.
2013-09-07 18:25:15 : <andy> what's the nick you usually use?
2013-09-07 18:25:22 : <frank> senax.
2013-09-07 18:26:05 : <andy> /whois senax returns:
2013-09-07 18:26:09 : <andy> 14:25 [larryniven] -!- senax [frank@rox-57A58A75.om.om.cox.net]
2013-09-07 18:26:09 : <andy> 14:25 [larryniven] -!- ircname : Frank Mango
2013-09-07 18:26:09 : <andy> 14:25 [larryniven] -!- server : irc.larryniven.net [Brennan]
2013-09-07 18:26:09 : <andy> 14:25 [larryniven] -!- idle : 0 days 0 hours 4 mins 55 secs [signon: Sat Sep 7 14:20:29 2013]
2013-09-07 18:26:12 : <andy> 14:25 [larryniven] -!- End of WHOIS
2013-09-07 18:26:24 : <frank> That's me.
2013-09-07 18:26:40 : <andy> so it looks like you tried to connect and it got through on the server but maybe the response didn't make it back to you?
2013-09-07 18:26:43 : <sean> then you are logged on
2013-09-07 18:26:59 : <frank> Let me chick my irc client...
2013-09-07 18:27:09 : <frank> check.
2013-09-07 18:27:55 : <frank> It showed as connected from my first attempt. I just disconnected it.
senax
2013-09-07 18:28:16 : <senax> Worked this time.
2013-09-07 18:28:35 : <senax> I think something's the matter with my irc client...
2013-09-07 18:28:59 : <senax> It connected but wouldn't open a chat window for the channel.
2013-09-07 18:29:44 : <sean> strang
2013-09-07 18:29:45 : <sean> e
2013-09-07 18:30:00 : "senax2" joined the channel.
2013-09-07 18:30:30 : <senax2> Hmm…this time it worked fine.

senax
2013-09-07 18:31:03 : <andy> sean: who's the Andy that's on the mailing list? (and I guess a real jerk sometimes?)
2013-09-07 18:31:19 : <senax> Alright, now I'm set.
2013-09-07 18:31:31 : <sean> let me look
2013-09-07 18:34:02 : <sean> cant remember my password
2013-09-07 18:37:22 : <sean> 2 anddrews
2013-09-07 18:38:00 : <sean> andy love
2013-09-07 18:38:34 : <sean> you
2013-09-07 18:38:56 : <andy> me? ...I don't think I've ever been on the mailing list.
Lensman
2013-09-07 18:39:39 : <sean> (andrew@gilbertsonenterprises.com)
2013-09-07 18:39:46 : <sean> assumed it was you
2013-09-07 18:39:59 : <andy> oh...that is me, actually, but I don't have that e-mail address anymore.
2013-09-07 18:40:11 : <Lensman> I don't recall Andy Love ever being a jerk. He's one of the most uniformly polite and self-effacing people It's ever been my pleasure to converse with.
2013-09-07 18:40:12 : <sean> its still in the member list
2013-09-07 18:40:20 : <sean> i agree
2013-09-07 18:40:39 : <sean> but me looking it up assumes andy is in the email address
2013-09-07 18:41:09 : <andy> oh...can you remove that and add my current e-mail address? (agilbertson@gmail.com)
2013-09-07 18:41:14 : <sean> nope
2013-09-07 18:41:22 : <sean> i am not a list moderator
2013-09-07 18:41:26 : <Lensman> So, andy, when people confuse you with Andy Love... take it as a compliment.
2013-09-07 18:41:34 : <andy> oh...
2013-09-07 18:41:35 : <sean> but you can do it by going to larryniven-l.org
2013-09-07 18:43:58 : <sean> the list, the web server and the irc server are 3 different entities that tend to play well together... mainly
2013-09-07 18:46:52 : <Lensman> Sean, you are the owner of this chat room, right?
2013-09-07 18:47:17 : <sean> i own the irc server and am on the web team
2013-09-07 18:47:57 : <sean> meaning if i point something out to mark he will usually do something about it.
2013-09-07 18:49:04 : <sean> I can sum up why I run the irc server in one sentence: Frank Gasperik called me and asked me to.
2013-09-07 18:49:33 : <Lensman> And I haven't noticed much in the way of "moderating", it seems to be pretty much a hands-off approach, but administrative functions are perfromed by you?
2013-09-07 18:49:47 : <sean> yep
2013-09-07 18:50:13 : <sean> not much to do after setting it up. it mainly takes care of itself.
2013-09-07 18:50:24 : <Lensman> The LarryNiven.org website is a team effort, with Mark in charge.
2013-09-07 18:51:11 : <sean> i have really only had to moderate the channel one time that i remember. some young guy came in and was being way to wild so i have to kick him out of the channel and then tell him in private to be more cordial.
2013-09-07 18:51:17 : <sean> yes
2013-09-07 18:51:21 : <Lensman> Is it your server that hosts LarryNiven.org, then?
2013-09-07 18:51:49 : <sean> no, i do not know if that box is at marks house or if he has it hosted on a server farm
2013-09-07 18:52:19 : <Lensman> I think Mark once mentioned Uwe as the host, but that was some time back, perhaps it's changed.
2013-09-07 18:53:16 : <sean> since you mention that. it could be that parts are hosted on Uwe's and parts are hosted by Euan
2013-09-07 18:54:11 : <Lensman> Well, perhaps my memory has failed again. Perhaps it was Euan, not Uwe. It's been awhile since I talked to Mark about that.
2013-09-07 18:57:52 : <andy> I created a short URL for one of my pictures of Larry at the Dragon*Con parade: http://goo.gl/Cpxvpz
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2013-09-07 18:58:22 : <dmac44> Hi guys.
2013-09-07 18:59:28 : "malicious_blonde" joined the channel.
2013-09-07 19:00:33 : <malicious_blonde> God morning, everyone
2013-09-07 19:00:48 : <sean> thats a heck of a morning
2013-09-07 19:00:51 : <malicious_blonde> Should the topic be 'Vale Fred Pohl'?
2013-09-07 19:01:19 : <sean> sorry to seem him go
2013-09-07 19:01:25 : <malicious_blonde> I also appear to be 'malicious blonde' for some reason. Stand by
Hippy
2013-09-07 19:01:54 : <Hippy> That's better
2013-09-07 19:02:11 : <sean> andy, it looks like dragon con would be worth going to just for the parade.
2013-09-07 19:02:14 : <andy> Well, now I'm expecting a totally *different* kind of fun that I would from a malicious blonde. :)
2013-09-07 19:02:19 : <Hippy> Yes. Ifg it werent for him, we probably wouldn't be doing this
2013-09-07 19:03:44 : <Hippy> Sory to disappoint, andy, but lack of blonde and the tyranny of distance mean that there'll be nio fun today :)
2013-09-07 19:04:23 : <andy> sean: it is - and you just have to show up in Atlanta (and find a good spot early in the day) to see the parade. but the rest of the con may be worthwhile, too, depending on your interests....and, hopefully, it not coinciding with WorldCon anymore.
2013-09-07 19:04:54 : <Jim> Was Fred Pohl a communist?
2013-09-07 19:05:17 : <Hippy> This is terrible news. I could've gone to both...
2013-09-07 19:05:21 : "Larry" joined the channel.
2013-09-07 19:05:29 : <sean> hi Larry.
2013-09-07 19:05:33 : <Jim> hi
2013-09-07 19:05:36 : <Larry> Hi all.
2013-09-07 19:05:37 : <Outsider> Larry: 06 Aug 15:05Z <andy> tell Larry Hey is this authorized? If not you may want to issue a takedown notice. http://www.pwhitrow.com/blog/entries/2009/07/07/man-of-steel-woman-of-kleenex/
2013-09-07 19:05:38 : <NickE> Hi LArry!
2013-09-07 19:06:02 : <senax> Hi Larry.
2013-09-07 19:06:03 : <sean> hey nick
2013-09-07 19:06:04 : <andy> Hi Larry!
2013-09-07 19:06:14 : <senax> Ji, he was for a while in the '30s.
2013-09-07 19:06:19 : <NickE> hi sean (just finished dinner)
2013-09-07 19:06:24 : <Lensman> Welcome, Larry!
2013-09-07 19:06:36 : <Hippy> Hi, Larry!
2013-09-07 19:06:38 : <NickE> D*C is a hoot, wish I could go again
2013-09-07 19:06:46 : <Larry> "man of Steel/Woman of Kleenex is authorized. I gave it to the net, years ago. Every so often you have to give something away.
2013-09-07 19:06:57 : <NickE> shiny
2013-09-07 19:07:16 : <andy> Excellent....I didn't want to see you not get paid for something that you should have been paid for!
2013-09-07 19:07:35 : <Larry> Thanks for looking out for me.
2013-09-07 19:08:24 : <andy> Larry: So apparently there was some kind of miscommunication about the 2nd "An Hour With Larry Niven" that you were supposed to be at on Sunday during Dragon*Con...can you tell me what happened (since I stood in an outdoor line in Atlanta heat waiting to see you and then didn't get to see you)?
2013-09-07 19:08:36 : <Larry> What's the topic?
2013-09-07 19:08:45 : <sean> we havent set one yet
2013-09-07 19:09:16 : <sean> oh, i changed the options so anybody can set the channel topic, btw
2013-09-07 19:10:03 : <Larry> At Dragon Con I read my schedule wrong. I missed the 1pm interview. Very embarrassing, very sorry.
2013-09-07 19:10:37 : <Larry> What did happen? Dead silence for forty minutes?
= Boosterspice
Boosterspice
2013-09-07 19:11:41 : <andy> No, the interviewer let us know that they didn't know where you were and were looking for you, then at about half past told us that they still couldn't find you and were going to have to cancel.
2013-09-07 19:11:42 : <Hippy> I was going to say 'Vale Fred Pohl' for the topic
2013-09-07 19:12:18 : <Larry> Boosterspice was a daydream, and not even a new one. (Stroon, for instance.) We all want to retain our physical youth.
2013-09-07 19:12:22 : <andy> I did manage to catch the Saturday interview on DragonCon TV; I think they'll put it up on YouTube eventually but they haven't yet.
2013-09-07 19:12:39 : <dmac44> Humanity is Boosterspice's way of procreating?
2013-09-07 19:12:58 : <Lensman> "Stroon" ?
2013-09-07 19:13:11 : <sean> I liked the get rid of bad stuff in your body transfer booth in world out of time more than boosterspice.
2013-09-07 19:13:20 : <Hippy> Cordwainer Smith, Lens. Norstrilia stories
2013-09-07 19:13:21 : <senax> Cordwainer Smit'h immortality drug.
2013-09-07 19:13:42 : <senax> My typing is even worse than usual today.
2013-09-07 19:14:10 : <Jim> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother_Hitton%27s_Littul_Kittons
2013-09-07 19:14:11 : <Hippy> So is mine. At a mates' place and he had a weirdarse setup here
2013-09-07 19:14:21 : <Larry> I I talked to Steven Barnes Monday breakfast. He spoke of beating up on martial arts students. Did them good, he said. I said, Yeah. They learn not to be afraid of growing old.
2013-09-07 19:15:02 : <Hippy> LOL, Larry
2013-09-07 19:15:14 : <sean> how is Steven? since I quit facebook, I have not typed to him.
2013-09-07 19:15:45 : <Larry> Steven is in good shape, but eager to leave Atlanta.
2013-09-07 19:15:46 : <Lensman> I liked the Ditka immortality in /A World Out of Time/, too. I've re-read that book possibly more than any other Niven novels. Maybe even more than *gasp* /Ringworld/.
2013-09-07 19:16:05 : <Lensman> Of course, it's a faster re-read than Rw.
2013-09-07 19:16:19 : <NickE> it was always one of my favourite re reads
2013-09-07 19:16:29 : <NickE> is I should say
2013-09-07 19:16:34 : <Larry> Yeah, I like Dikta immortality. But you need teleportation.
2013-09-07 19:16:38 : <NickE> tho its been a few years
2013-09-07 19:18:47 : <sean> don't see my copy of WOOT. probably on a shelf in a WC
2013-09-07 19:20:00 : <Larry> WOOT was my attempt to outdo AS THE CURTAIN FALLS by Robert Chilson. I recommend it.
2013-09-07 19:20:24 : <sean> noted. I have not read that one.
2013-09-07 19:20:33 : <Lensman> WOOT had a system of short-range teleport booths. As I recall, you could travel in series to go longer distances. But crossing the ocean was by aircar, not teleport booth.
2013-09-07 19:21:33 : <Lensman> Or at least, JBC went across the ocean in an aircar. Perhaps there were underseas teleport booths, but I don't remember that the story said so.
2013-09-07 19:22:05 : <Larry> Yes, I used the same concepts in "Flach Crowd". BTW, look for "Red Tide" soon if you'd like further exploration of the concepts.
2013-09-07 19:22:17 : <NickE> ooh
2013-09-07 19:22:50 : "Agincourtdb" joined the channel.
2013-09-07 19:23:02 : <Agincourtdb> took me a while to figure out how to do this
2013-09-07 19:23:02 : <NickE> hi dave
2013-09-07 19:23:03 : <Lensman> Is "Red Tide" a story in the Jerryberry Jansen universe?
2013-09-07 19:23:04 : <Agincourtdb> hi all
2013-09-07 19:23:17 : <Lensman> Hi Dave!
2013-09-07 19:23:18 : <Agincourtdb> had Mirc configured for another site
2013-09-07 19:23:28 : <Agincourtdb> how is everyone?
2013-09-07 19:23:39 : <sean> not bad
2013-09-07 19:23:46 : <Lensman> Okay
2013-09-07 19:23:53 : <NickE> fine, good crowd in today :-)
2013-09-07 19:24:10 : <Hippy> Tired, but the hangovber hasn't kicked in yet
2013-09-07 19:24:33 : <sean> yeah... I see three different continents represented.
2013-09-07 19:24:45 : <Larry> "Red Tide" is four stories by three writers, including an expanded "Flach Crowd". Michael Resnick publishes a series of these: an established writer and a novice working in the same universe.
2013-09-07 19:24:54 : <Jim> According to Wikipedia, WOOT had a super-hot Jovian back in 1976.
2013-09-07 19:25:00 : <Agincourtdb> I am on Antarctica if that makes a difference ;)
2013-09-07 19:25:06 : <sean> ok, 4
2013-09-07 19:25:14 : <Larry> I had some trouble coming up with anything new to say, 30-odd years later.
2013-09-07 19:25:29 : <Agincourtdb> I dated a super-hot Jovian once
2013-09-07 19:25:50 : "dmac44" left the channel.
2013-09-07 19:26:21 : <Hippy> LOL, agincourt
2013-09-07 19:26:26 : <Lensman> Speaking of Corbell, and references to James Branch Cabell... we were discussing Cabell's works on the Piper list the other day. I have the books but couldn't get into them the one time I tried. But a question about one caused me to leaf thru the books. I note the map of Poictesme looks suspiciously like the map in /The Princess Bride/.
is waiting for Dave to expand on that one.
2013-09-07 19:26:35 : <Agincourtdb> I broke up with her... she was always leaving rings in the tub
2013-09-07 19:26:41 : <sean> ouch
2013-09-07 19:26:54 : <Agincourtdb> and then there was the constant mooning.
2013-09-07 19:27:01 : "dmac44" joined the channel.
2013-09-07 19:27:13 : <dmac44> Sorry about that.
2013-09-07 19:27:17 : <sean> wb
2013-09-07 19:27:25 : <Lensman> I note other similarities with /Bride/, such as the extended foreword which is also fictional. /The Princess Bride/ is one of my favorite books, and obviously it's a tribute to Cabell. I think I should try again.
2013-09-07 19:28:23 : <Lensman> Aargh.
2013-09-07 19:28:37 : <Larry> I love Cabell. I don't find him re-readable, but that's because his very lucid prose sticks in my head just fine.
2013-09-07 19:30:35 : <sean> I don't think I have read cabell
2013-09-07 19:30:45 : <Agincourtdb> So how is the third Burning book coming? I've been away from the group for a while...
2013-09-07 19:30:49 : <Hippy> I shall have to see if there are Kindle versions around
2013-09-07 19:30:57 : <Larry> re boosterspice: Jim Blish had it right. It's gonna be hundreds of specific cures for specific problems, and a ballancing act of side effects all eventually solved.
2013-09-07 19:31:11 : <Lensman> Larry, how many stories did you write where the protagonist's name was a variation on James Branch Cabell?
2013-09-07 19:31:27 : <sean> I agree.
2013-09-07 19:32:07 : <Lensman> I had forgotten the immortality in /Cities in Flight/. I've only read that series once, and rather long ago.
2013-09-07 19:32:09 : <Larry> The third Burning book is on hold. Jerry is working on a 15 year old contract, a story nearly finished. We'll see.
2013-09-07 19:32:24 : <Agincourtdb> ok, looking forward to it!
2013-09-07 19:32:29 : <Larry> Lensman: 2.
2013-09-07 19:33:10 : <Lensman> Larry: I can't remember the other story.
2013-09-07 19:33:34 : <Larry> I can't either, yet.
2013-09-07 19:33:38 : <Hippy> "Rammer', I think
2013-09-07 19:33:50 : <sean> rammer was the first part of world out of time
2013-09-07 19:33:51 : <Agincourtdb> Corbett?
2013-09-07 19:34:00 : <sean> oops
2013-09-07 19:34:03 : <Agincourtdb> Corbell maybe?
2013-09-07 19:34:13 : <Larry> "Rammer" opened "World Out of Time".
2013-09-07 19:34:14 : <Hippy> Yep
2013-09-07 19:34:25 : <fredskuentz> greets sentients
2013-09-07 19:34:34 : <sean> hey fred.
2013-09-07 19:34:42 : <Jim> Fred!
2013-09-07 19:34:50 : <Hippy> Hi, Fred
2013-09-07 19:35:11 : <senax> Hi Fred
2013-09-07 19:35:12 : <Larry> "Corbett" relates to old TV.
2013-09-07 19:36:23 : <Hippy> Oh, yes. 'Space Patrol'
2013-09-07 19:36:33 : <Larry> Tom Corbett, Space Cadet.
2013-09-07 19:36:36 : <Lensman> Carpentier/Carpenter in /Inferno/? What was his first name?
2013-09-07 19:36:47 : <Agincourtdb> Alan iirc
2013-09-07 19:36:58 : <Larry> alan, yes.
2013-09-07 19:37:04 : <sean> a quick google says that convergent series has cabelll references
scores a point
2013-09-07 19:37:12 : <Lensman> So that's not the one.
2013-09-07 19:37:59 : <Hippy> 'Night on Mispec Moor', maybe? Somethin Leshyt cCircit, anyway
2013-09-07 19:38:22 : <NickE> Rammer was the first of your stories that I ever read Larry, loved it ever since
2013-09-07 19:38:41 : <Larry> Jeez. I can't remember everything.
2013-09-07 19:39:07 : <sean> vatch is the protaganist in mispec moor
2013-09-07 19:39:18 : <Agincourtdb> Larry, I have a writing question: do you have any difficulty starting a thing (stories, specifically) even when you have the idea/point of the story? Do ever have difficulty finding the 'angle of attack'? If so, how do you get around it?
2013-09-07 19:39:19 : <sean> convergent series in hand. ;)
2013-09-07 19:39:51 : <Lensman> I'm skimming thru /Convergent Series/ also.
2013-09-07 19:40:16 : <Larry> I have difficulties with all of that. One thing: when I can't just write it, I outline. Failing that, I make notes.
2013-09-07 19:40:42 : <Agincourtdb> ok, thanks :-)
2013-09-07 19:40:53 : <Jim> Larry, is FATE OF WORLDS the final Known Space novel?
2013-09-07 19:41:32 : <Lensman> "Night on Mispec Moor" specifically refers to Cabell's writings, but I don't see a character name there that fits.
2013-09-07 19:42:06 : <Larry> FATE OF WORLDS is the final WORLDS novel. Ed and I have no further plans. I too have no plans for further Known Space...but stories have happened regardless.
2013-09-07 19:42:34 : <Jim> OK
2013-09-07 19:42:49 : <fredskuentz> I have been unable to finish FATE
2013-09-07 19:42:56 : <fredskuentz> I think because I know it's the end
2013-09-07 19:42:58 : <fredskuentz> :(
2013-09-07 19:44:13 : <Lensman> "C. Cretemaster" in "Singularites Make Me Nervous". Fannish in-joke.
2013-09-07 19:44:18 : <Larry> I saw the last "Futurama" cartoon last night. Satisfactory.
2013-09-07 19:44:26 : <fredskuentz> yes
2013-09-07 19:44:43 : <fredskuentz> a big too derivative of an SG1 ep
2013-09-07 19:44:50 : <Jim> Yes, followed by the first Futurama episode.
2013-09-07 19:44:54 : <fredskuentz> and a classic outer limits
2013-09-07 19:45:01 : <fredskuentz> but satisfactory nonetheless
2013-09-07 19:45:09 : <fredskuentz> Jim, I only saw part of the first Futurama
2013-09-07 19:45:19 : <fredskuentz> did his dog appear in it, or was he a retcon?
2013-09-07 19:45:32 : <Larry> retcon.
2013-09-07 19:45:36 : <Jim> The dog was a retcon.
2013-09-07 19:46:09 : <fredskuentz> ahh
2013-09-07 19:46:18 : <fredskuentz> too bad they couldn't sneak him in
2013-09-07 19:46:42 : <Hippy> Now, somebody mentioned yesterday that Larry was referred to in 'Big Bang Theory'. Is that right?
2013-09-07 19:47:09 : <Larry> FYI: I have the proofs of SHIPSTAR and am going through them. Should tell Greg Benford.
2013-09-07 19:47:30 : <Jim> BBT, makes so many references to other stuff, it should be called a derivative television show.
2013-09-07 19:47:31 : <Larry> Hippy, that's news to me, and I watch Big Bang religiously.
2013-09-07 19:47:32 : <sean> I want to watch the Big Bang Theory but the laugh track completely turns me off.
2013-09-07 19:47:43 : <Hippy> Looking forward to being able to buy Shipstar
2013-09-07 19:48:04 : <senax> It's one of the better comedies on TV these days.
2013-09-07 19:48:13 : <Larry> Shipstar due in April.
2013-09-07 19:48:14 : <dmac44> Part of the fun of TBBT is to get the references.
2013-09-07 19:48:29 : <fredskuentz> and to notice that Sheldon is almost always wrong
2013-09-07 19:48:42 : <fredskuentz> in the early eps they challenged him but finally gave up
2013-09-07 19:48:44 : <Hippy> Ah, well, maybe it wasn't 'BB', then. I was surprised the mentioner had even heard of Larry through a source other than me. He's not a bi g reader
2013-09-07 19:48:50 : <Lensman> I'm with Sean. Can't stand the laugh track.
2013-09-07 19:48:53 : <Agincourtdb> Is Shipstar sequel to Bowl? Which I bought when it came out and still haven't read? /sheepish
2013-09-07 19:49:40 : <senax> Laugh tracks are stupid and annoying, but I can tolerate it if the show is good enough...
2013-09-07 19:49:43 : <andy> would it make a difference if it was a studio audience laughing instead of a laugh track?
2013-09-07 19:49:47 : <dmac44> I just ignore the laugh track. But since someone pointed it out to me I do know it's there.
2013-09-07 19:49:49 : <Larry> Maybe: wait, and read them straight through. They were concieved as one novel.
2013-09-07 19:50:00 : <Agincourtdb> oooh ok
2013-09-07 19:50:28 : <senax> …I take what I can get, since TV is almost all "reality" shows and singing contests anymore.
2013-09-07 19:51:30 : <Agincourtdb> There's more great TV on now than ever before, it's just all on cable. You have to go looking for it
2013-09-07 19:51:35 : <sean> I am sure BBT will come out with dvd's where you can turn off the laugh track.
2013-09-07 19:51:40 : <Larry> We watch a lot of news, and the Tonight Show.
2013-09-07 19:52:08 : <fredskuentz> Has Fallon taken that over yet?
2013-09-07 19:52:11 : <Lensman> It would make a difference to me if it was a studio audience. Or even if they had a bunch of random laugh tracks that they mixed up. What I can't stand is that they only have like 2 or 3, and they keep using them over and over. Drives me crazy.
2013-09-07 19:52:43 : <sean> most of what I do here is function as a sliding glass door opening device for the dog.
2013-09-07 19:52:47 : <fredskuentz> Lensman, I Love Lucy was a live audience, and it still had the same 3 laffs every week
2013-09-07 19:53:10 : <fredskuentz> That annoying "uh oh, ho ho ho ho" was some relative of Lucy
2013-09-07 19:53:41 : <andy> well, you can get tickets to be in the audience for Big Bang Theory: http://tvtickets.com/fmi/xsl/shows/browserecord.xsl?&Show=big+bang
2013-09-07 19:54:01 : <Lensman> Lots of great shows. "Suits", "Breaking Bad", "The Bridge". I also like "Hell on Wheels" altho it hasn't lived up to its potential. Reality shows? Well, I watch "Gold Rush" on Discovery, but it's become rather repetitive.
2013-09-07 19:54:31 : <Lensman> Fred: Let's just say our experiences differ.
2013-09-07 19:55:17 : <Larry> back in five minutes.
2013-09-07 19:55:38 : <sean> k
Are laugh tracks really necessary?
2013-09-07 19:56:33 : <johnmanyjars> Euan Richie currently provides the hosting for larryniven.net, which is very nice of him.
2013-09-07 19:56:39 : <sean> I know it is on there because most people watching the show have no idea what the references are
2013-09-07 19:56:44 : <Lensman> The timing isn't even the same with a studio audience. That's something I noticed long ago, on "All in the Family". Sometimes the actors would just stand still, staring at each other, for a few seconds, until the laughter died down far enough that they could continue. You'll never, ever see that with canned laugh tracks.
2013-09-07 19:56:46 : <johnmanyjars> John Sheen used to
2013-09-07 19:57:11 : <senax> Yes, there are some good shows on. I wouldn't say "lots", but I'm picky. I watch Breaking Bad, Walking Dead, and a few others.
2013-09-07 19:57:30 : <sean> hey mark
2013-09-07 19:57:44 : <Lensman> Well okay, I shouldn't have said "lots" of great shows. Some.
2013-09-07 19:57:50 : <andy> I watched Walking Dead for a while, but became disinterested when they stayed on that farm too long with too little action.
2013-09-07 19:58:00 : <senax> There are people for whom the default is to always have the TV on, even if nothing interesting is on. My wife is one. I am emphatically not.
2013-09-07 19:58:05 : <Jim> Bowl of Heaven reminded me of one of Benford's Galactic Center novels.
2013-09-07 19:58:14 : <Lensman> I like "Defiance" too.
2013-09-07 19:58:18 : <johnmanyjars> hi sean
2013-09-07 19:58:37 : <andy> senax: I'm with you...in my opinion, if you're not actively watching the thing, you should SHUT IT OFF.
2013-09-07 19:58:41 : <Agincourtdb> I started Defiance with a definite skepticism, and the first couple eps didn't really impress me, but they won me over in time.
2013-09-07 19:59:41 : <Agincourtdb> It doesn't hurt that I'd watch Julie Benz do anything
2013-09-07 19:59:49 : <Hippy> 'Walking Dead' is bbecoming a bit of a soapie, but Laurie Holdn can save anythiung in my view
2013-09-07 20:00:27 : <dmac44> I like Castle
2013-09-07 20:00:28 : <Agincourtdb> I loved the 'stuck on the farm' season of WD. Zombie fiction isn't about killing zombies. At least, the good stuff isn't.
2013-09-07 20:01:51 : <andy> Agincourtdb: No, zombie fiction shouldn't just be about killing zombies...but the problem being faced was always the same, and there was never any resolution or any added tension. It got boring.
2013-09-07 20:01:51 : <Hippy> It shoyuld be about killing the sherriff's wife. She's so annoying
2013-09-07 20:01:55 : <sean> have not watched any of those shows.
2013-09-07 20:02:09 : <Agincourtdb> haha Hippy... 'spoilers' /River Song voice
2013-09-07 20:02:39 : <sean> River Song=great character.
2013-09-07 20:02:53 : <Agincourtdb> talented actress.
2013-09-07 20:02:54 : <Hippy> Now I've got something to look forward to :)
2013-09-07 20:03:16 : <sean> yes
2013-09-07 20:04:50 : <sean> speaking of Who, do we get an episode next month?
2013-09-07 20:05:03 : <Agincourtdb> 50th?
2013-09-07 20:05:09 : <Agincourtdb> I don't remember.
2013-09-07 20:05:27 : <Hippy> Oh, yeah. So it is
2013-09-07 20:05:30 : <Agincourtdb> iirc there's the Xmas ep and the 50th anniversary ep yet to air.
2013-09-07 20:05:34 : <Agincourtdb> I could be wrong
2013-09-07 20:05:50 : <Hippy> 'The Nine Doctors'?
2013-09-07 20:06:10 : <sean> was mainly directing the question to Nick and Mark
2013-09-07 20:06:23 : <andy> IMDB says the next new Doctor Who episode will air on December 25th.
2013-09-07 20:06:28 : <johnmanyjars> I think the 50th is in November
2013-09-07 20:06:29 : <sean> them thar two guys in England
2013-09-07 20:06:41 : <johnmanyjars> Maybe I'm wrong
2013-09-07 20:06:47 : <Agincourtdb> Larry, is there any novel you'd go back and do differently now, given how your style/focus/interests have changed?
2013-09-07 20:07:42 : <sean> i think there is supposed to be a doctor dealing with his past ep before the christmas ep.
2013-09-07 20:08:06 : <NickE> sorry bio break :-)
2013-09-07 20:08:14 : <NickE> yeah November
2013-09-07 20:08:30 : <sean> the doctor dealing with his past ep.
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2013-09-07 20:09:33 : <NickE> wb
2013-09-07 20:09:38 : <Agincourtdwb> oopsie daisy
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2013-09-07 20:09:57 : <Agincourtdwb> did I miss the answer to my Q?
2013-09-07 20:10:07 : <sean> larry has not yet returned
2013-09-07 20:10:15 : <Agincourtdwb> ah ok
AgincourtDB
twiddles thumbs
2013-09-07 20:12:28 : <Lensman> HBO has "Homeland" and "Game of Thrones". We don't pay for that channel, but we do subscribe to Netflix, so I can watch "Homeland" on DVD. "Smash" was another Great show, sadly now passed.
2013-09-07 20:12:49 : <sean> Smash? did that involve the Hulk?
2013-09-07 20:12:55 : <AgincourtDB> There's some interesting/good original shows on Hulu as well
2013-09-07 20:13:22 : <Lensman> "Smash" was like "Glee" but for adults. Set in the Broadway theatre community.
2013-09-07 20:13:29 : <sean> sh
2013-09-07 20:13:29 : <sean> ah
2013-09-07 20:13:54 : <AgincourtDB> I know some musical theater pros who hatewatched 'Smash'. I also know some musical theater pros who looooved it.
2013-09-07 20:13:55 : <Hippy> Agincourt, are you getting Hulu in Antarctica?
2013-09-07 20:14:04 : <AgincourtDB> I have a rilly big dish
2013-09-07 20:14:09 : <Lensman> I loved Hulu when it started but now all of the good shows are on their premium service. :(
is not really in Antarctica
2013-09-07 20:14:29 : <AgincourtDB> Lensman: yes, that's very annoying
2013-09-07 20:14:30 : <Lensman> Ah, I was wondering if that was a joke or not.
2013-09-07 20:14:47 : <AgincourtDB> I'm always finding great Criterion films to watch but their subscription-only
2013-09-07 20:14:55 : <johnmanyjars> It is due to be shown on BBC One on 23 November 2013 in both 2D and 3D
2013-09-07 20:14:57 : <sean> hmm, nick ar eyou still in africa?
2013-09-07 20:15:56 : <NickE> no they wanted to send me back to Senegal, but instead, soneone is coming over here to train
2013-09-07 20:15:56 : <Hippy> Ah, well, that eexplains whatever it was I wanted explained
2013-09-07 20:16:00 : <Larry> I would rewrite WORLD OF PRAVVS a little. But couldn't sell a rewrite that small.
2013-09-07 20:16:23 : <sean> so back down to 3 continents represented.
2013-09-07 20:16:27 : <senax> I think we'd all buy a copy.
2013-09-07 20:16:33 : <AgincourtDB> definitely...
2013-09-07 20:17:08 : <sean> what would you change with World of Ptavvs? I loved the pluto burning scene, btw
2013-09-07 20:17:11 : <Hippy> Me, to, from the Antipodes
2013-09-07 20:17:21 : <AgincourtDB> I loved the card game :-)
2013-09-07 20:18:05 : <sean> I counted you, Hippy... NA, Europe, and Oz
2013-09-07 20:19:01 : <Hippy> No, I meant I would buy the rewrite of World of Ptavvs
2013-09-07 20:19:20 : <Larry> of course I'd give more details re Pluto. Maybe bring in a current Mercury. Write deeper characterization of Larry Greenberg before Kzanol gets him.
2013-09-07 20:19:26 : <Hippy> But I would do it in a special, southern hemisphere way
2013-09-07 20:20:41 : <Lensman> We are not a representative sample. I bought the new edition of /Inferno/ just to get the changes!
2013-09-07 20:21:02 : <AgincourtDB> Kzanol is definitely a well-fleshed-out character. I think of him as the 'star' of that book, actually. He's a tragic hero. <eg>
2013-09-07 20:21:04 : <senax> Hippy, pay a larger markup and wait for weeks for it to be shipped?
2013-09-07 20:21:25 : <NickE> ah, completeists :-)
2013-09-07 20:21:31 : <sean> ah, ok, Hippy
2013-09-07 20:21:44 : <senax> Changes to Inferno? I don't remember that!
2013-09-07 20:21:49 : <Larry> Yeah, exactly. Kzanol was a tragic hero in Shakespear's sense, doomed by his own flaws.
2013-09-07 20:22:02 : <NickE> yeah, I liked that
2013-09-07 20:22:20 : <Lensman> Completist? Well, I used to be. But I don't have a copy of /The Best of Larry Niven/ and I'm not sure I'm going to get one. May be too late to buy it at face value, anyway.
2013-09-07 20:22:36 : <AgincourtDB> exactly Larry :-)
2013-09-07 20:22:48 : <NickE> managed to find a 1st ed paperback at the 2005 WorldCon
2013-09-07 20:23:08 : <Larry> I don't remember making changes to INFERNO. maybe we wrote an intro?
2013-09-07 20:23:18 : <NickE> well, possibly more completeist than myself :-)
2013-09-07 20:23:22 : <Lensman> senax: Additions to /Inferno/ were quotes at the beginning of chapters, and I think Larry said something about one of the minor characters being changed or renamed. Don't recall why.
2013-09-07 20:24:03 : <NickE> (I've never managed to snag a 1st ed RW nor could probably afford one)
2013-09-07 20:24:50 : <senax> I have a 1st ed RW I picked up for $0.50 or so, years ago.
2013-09-07 20:25:00 : <Lensman> 1st edition Rw isn't hard to find online. Now, the first -hardback- edition is ridiculously priced, especially since it's -not- the first edition.
2013-09-07 20:25:00 : <NickE> lucky!
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2013-09-07 20:25:36 : <sean> I miracled into a first edition RW. A used book store was closing not long after my house burned down and the girl I was seeing bought 3 or 4 flats of sci fi for a dollar a flat and a 1st edition RW was included.
2013-09-07 20:25:37 : <Lensman> Hi Ronn!
2013-09-07 20:25:43 : <dmac44> I guess I'm lucky, I still have my 1st ed of RW from college.
2013-09-07 20:25:49 : <Lensman> Or should that be Hi Ronn! !
2013-09-07 20:26:03 : <NickE> wow Sean.
2013-09-07 20:26:11 : <NickE> hi ronn
2013-09-07 20:26:16 : <sean> I was stunned when I saw it.
2013-09-07 20:26:20 : <ronn> Hi, all. Looks like the chat server got fixed.
2013-09-07 20:26:29 : <sean> it was my cable modem
2013-09-07 20:26:46 : <Jim> Ronn!
2013-09-07 20:26:53 : <sean> server was fine but nobody but me could talk to it.
2013-09-07 20:27:33 : <Lensman> Someone sent me some early edition KS paperbacks, including a near-mint copy of 1st ed. Rw. I should "pay it forward" and send it on to someone who needs one.
2013-09-07 20:27:47 : <fredskuentz> girl I was dating in college 'borrowed' my first ringworld
2013-09-07 20:27:52 : <Lensman> Sent me those books just as a "thank you" for doing the Known Space Concordance.
2013-09-07 20:27:57 : <fredskuentz> hardback first of World out of Time
2013-09-07 20:28:02 : <fredskuentz> and 2 others ...
2013-09-07 20:28:09 : <fredskuentz> I think Flying Sorcerers
2013-09-07 20:28:12 : <fredskuentz> forget the other
2013-09-07 20:28:17 : <ronn> Whatever (I didn't recall the specifics) . . . it's good it got fixed in time. :)
2013-09-07 20:28:28 : <Lensman> I only have a 2nd printing of the hardcover WOOT. *sigh*
2013-09-07 20:29:11 : <Larry> they read the same anyway...except RW of course.
2013-09-07 20:29:12 : <sean> provider guy showed up friday afternoon and fixed it. If they had put me off till monday, we would not be here.... kudos to provider guy.
2013-09-07 20:29:14 : <fredskuentz> NickE, my first edition paperback RW was cheap
2013-09-07 20:29:34 : <fredskuentz> under $10 including shipping, maybe ... 5 years ago
2013-09-07 20:29:39 : <NickE> Ive probably not looked seriously fior many years
2013-09-07 20:30:01 : <AgincourtDB> I have 1st hardcovers for everything since Destiny's Road. and some signed paperbacks I got off ebay
2013-09-07 20:30:08 : <fredskuentz> I don't think sellers have any idea what they've got
2013-09-07 20:30:22 : <NickE> nad it would be "why do you need *another *copy?" :-)
2013-09-07 20:30:26 : <AgincourtDB> plus a signed Time of the Warlock and Bridging the Galaxies
2013-09-07 20:30:34 : <NickE> nice
2013-09-07 20:30:35 : <AgincourtDB> oh and a signed Niven's Laws
2013-09-07 20:30:42 : <NickE> dont have either
2013-09-07 20:30:47 : <senax> Now Bridging the Galaxies I'd like to find...
2013-09-07 20:30:56 : <NickE> yes
2013-09-07 20:31:00 : <senax> …don't think they printed many of those.
2013-09-07 20:31:04 : <sean> that was the con publication?
2013-09-07 20:31:11 : <AgincourtDB> senax: it's a beautiful thing. sean: yes iirc
2013-09-07 20:31:14 : <senax> yep.
2013-09-07 20:31:22 : <AgincourtDB> I think I got it for $75
2013-09-07 20:31:27 : <NickE> I think I have 1st hardcovers also since Legacy of heorot
2013-09-07 20:31:31 : <ronn> Topic for #knownspace is “Are laugh tracks really necessary?”
2013-09-07 20:31:32 : <ronn> What? Doesn't everyone carry around one of those electronic laugh boxes so when you tell a joke you press the appropriate button so the people you're with know when to laugh? :D
2013-09-07 20:31:33 : <senax> ouch.
2013-09-07 20:32:02 : <dmac44> Ronn: You could put it on a cell phone.
2013-09-07 20:32:02 : <AgincourtDB> I was making a run at 'completist' at the time
1st Editions... Gotta love them.
2013-09-07 20:32:33 : <AgincourtDB> I actually found the 'Time Of The Warlock' in a used bookstore in the 'rare' section
2013-09-07 20:32:54 : <ronn> Whassamatter, sean? Did I break it? :D
2013-09-07 20:32:59 : <sean> and a quick google shows there is a laugh track app for android
2013-09-07 20:33:02 : <NickE> well, that the thing with collecting - it's hard to genuinely have a complete collection unless teh subject is very narrow - its half the fun in collecting
2013-09-07 20:33:04 : <fredskuentz> Okay, first edition RW, $20
2013-09-07 20:33:13 : <fredskuentz> first edition SIGNED by Larry, $25
2013-09-07 20:33:15 : <fredskuentz> http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?an=Niven&bi=s&bx=off&ds=30&fe=on&recentlyadded=all&sortby=17&sts=t&tn=Ringworld&x=64&y=20&yrh=1975&yrl=1965
2013-09-07 20:33:30 : <AgincourtDB> I gave up when I realized I'd never track down all the individual non-collection'ed stories
2013-09-07 20:33:49 : <sean> no, but for the newcomers, I made a change that lets anyone change topic so have fun.
2013-09-07 20:33:57 : <johnmanyjars> My children destroyed a first edition of Harry Potter and the Philosophers Stone
2013-09-07 20:34:03 : <senax> I gave up on veing a completist when my brother sold all my Pink Floyd albums.
2013-09-07 20:34:20 : <NickE> I know they are out there
2013-09-07 20:34:26 : <NickE> basstard!
2013-09-07 20:34:32 : <Lensman> I think I found /Time of the Warlock/ at an SF convention.
2013-09-07 20:34:33 : <sean> thats a hard hit
2013-09-07 20:34:38 : <senax> I called him worse than that.
2013-09-07 20:34:44 : <johnmanyjars> yeah, my mum had bought it for them before it became popular
2013-09-07 20:34:54 : <johnmanyjars> sorry, mom
2013-09-07 20:35:06 : <NickE> shame
2013-09-07 20:35:09 : <ronn> @jmj: Spilled something on it in potions class? ;)
2013-09-07 20:35:43 : <Lensman> But there are two editions of /Warlock/, the extra extra special limited edition, and the longer print run numbered edition. I have the less rare one. OTOH I do have the signed and numbered in a slipcase /Dream Park/.
2013-09-07 20:36:01 : <NickE> nice
2013-09-07 20:36:10 : <Lensman> And yah, that's shamelessly bragging.
2013-09-07 20:36:18 : <fredskuentz> I'm tempted to grab a Larry signed RW first myself :)
2013-09-07 20:36:39 : <AgincourtDB> my edition of Warlock is also the less rare one
2013-09-07 20:36:54 : <sean> fred... stay away from mine
2013-09-07 20:37:32 : <NickE> I don't think I have any massivley rare Larry related items apart from teh RW game and supplements
2013-09-07 20:37:42 : <AgincourtDB> I have Ganthet's Tale also
2013-09-07 20:37:48 : <AgincourtDB> almost forgot
2013-09-07 20:37:54 : <NickE> Yeah, got that - loved it
2013-09-07 20:38:09 : <sean> I used to have the ringworld game. I may still have the return to ringworld computer game.
2013-09-07 20:38:10 : <NickE> but not a 1st print
2013-09-07 20:38:20 : <fredskuentz> I have the ultra rare audio recording of Man of Steel, Woman of Kleenex
2013-09-07 20:38:22 : <fredskuentz> signed, too
2013-09-07 20:38:42 : <sean> I have a copy of that as well fred... not signed tho
2013-09-07 20:38:48 : <ronn>
2013-09-07 20:38:49 : <NickE> heheh I know *you do (I think I have a copy)
2013-09-07 20:39:30 : <NickE> pirty we never really followe dthriough on that project
2013-09-07 20:39:36 : <Hippy> I think I have, too
2013-09-07 20:39:50 : <NickE> it's all still there I think
2013-09-07 20:40:18 : <NickE> I'd re-do a load of my recordings if we revived it
2013-09-07 20:40:24 : <sean> I also also still have the ultra rare audio recording of The Green Marauder.
2013-09-07 20:40:24 : <fredskuentz> the girls let me down on SOFT WEAPON
2013-09-07 20:40:28 : <AgincourtDB> I really should shower and do some writing
2013-09-07 20:40:42 : <NickE> yeah, that was getting interesting wasnt it
2013-09-07 20:41:17 : <NickE> but I've been involved in sv
2013-09-07 20:41:17 : <AgincourtDB> I'll hang until 5 though
2013-09-07 20:41:32 : <fredskuentz> Hopefully we put together enough of an offering to impart happiness on Larry's birthday, which was the point
2013-09-07 20:41:33 : <NickE> eseveral un finished audios
2013-09-07 20:42:29 : <NickE> What was done was good, don't get me wrong :-) Didn't I play Weapons Officer?
2013-09-07 20:43:05 : <sean> I just remember that I stored everything for a while.
2013-09-07 20:43:14 : <fredskuentz> I think so. I think we got everything but Nessus, although I never ran everything through the filters to create Kzinti and such
2013-09-07 20:43:48 : <sean> well, not that project. but the finished projects.
2013-09-07 20:43:59 : <NickE> quite a big job, even for a short
2013-09-07 20:44:45 : <Jim> I have gotta go; I will see you all next month.
2013-09-07 20:44:55 : <sean> later Jim
2013-09-07 20:45:04 : <NickE> ttfn]#
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2013-09-07 20:46:32 : <sean> fred, are you still hosting those mp3 files?
2013-09-07 20:49:54 : <fredskuentz> no, apple killed iDisk and everybody's storage
2013-09-07 20:50:17 : <fredskuentz> I have them archived though
2013-09-07 20:50:26 : <sean> k
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2013-09-07 20:52:09 : <sean> so, Hippy, when do you get to flee from Oz back to America?
2013-09-07 20:52:47 : <Hippy> Good question. Hopefuly in six months, but I don't know yet
2013-09-07 20:53:08 : <Hippy> There may be proglems with my visa. I have to get in touch wth the embassy here to find out
2013-09-07 20:53:14 : <Hippy> Oops. Find out.
2013-09-07 20:53:27 : <Hippy> Hopefully I'll be back for the next LibertyCon
2013-09-07 20:53:35 : <sean> k
2013-09-07 20:53:45 : <Hippy> Definitely will make WorldCon, though
2013-09-07 20:53:51 : <sean> If you are, we going to do the same?
2013-09-07 20:54:17 : <Hippy> Yep. It was a good arrangement
2013-09-07 20:54:30 : <sean> back to aretha frankensteins?
2013-09-07 20:54:39 : <AgincourtDB> Well, have fun everybody... talk to you again soon! :-)
2013-09-07 20:54:48 : <fredskuentz> bye again
2013-09-07 20:54:53 : <sean> later dave
2013-09-07 20:55:00 : <AgincourtDB> bye :-)
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2013-09-07 20:55:02 : <NickE> Bye Dave
2013-09-07 20:55:40 : <NickE> Will be at LonCon3 next year
2013-09-07 20:55:45 : <Hippy> Oh, yes. Aretha Frankenstein's is a fine eatery. I may even make it to Tampa next time
2013-09-07 20:55:56 : <sean> I saved aretha frankensteins to Darth's favorites. Darth being the gps
2013-09-07 20:56:21 : <sean> good food, crappy service. I can deal with crappy service with good companyh
2013-09-07 20:56:31 : <Hippy> I won' buggerise around like I did last truo abd bit vusu oeioke'
2013-09-07 20:56:37 : <Larry> I should get to work on SHIPSTAR. goodby.
2013-09-07 20:56:45 : <sean> later Larry
2013-09-07 20:56:48 : <dmac44> bye Larry.
2013-09-07 20:57:11 : <Hippy> "Bye, Larry
2013-09-07 20:57:18 : <NickE> bye Larry
2013-09-07 20:57:32 : <sean> Hippy, you are going to have to retype everything after last. that goes far beyond my ability with internet typos
2013-09-07 20:57:39 : <Hippy> And since I'm sobering up and the hangover is kicking in, and I seem to have forgotten how to type, I shall adjourn too
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2013-09-07 20:57:56 : <Hippy> See you all from Sydney next month
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2013-09-07 20:58:36 : <dmac44> Bye, Hippy.
2013-09-07 20:58:38 : <sean> ok, hippy, will skype next time I see you online
2013-09-07 20:58:55 : <NickE> TTFN (god was it something I said? :-)
2013-09-07 20:59:09 : <Hippy> Ah... I typed 'last trip and not visit people'. It's hard to type without the instant visual feedback :)
2013-09-07 20:59:49 : <Hippy> Cool, Sean. Skype you soon
2013-09-07 21:00:32 : <sean> I understand
takes his painful head to bed
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2013-09-07 21:01:13 : <sean> 6 am there. he gets up at 4am to do the chat.
2013-09-07 21:01:26 : <dmac44> This party seems to be ending. See you all next month.
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2013-09-07 21:02:19 : <sean> I might walk down to the beach myself.
2013-09-07 21:02:56 : <senax> Bye everyone.

2013-09-07 21:03:32 : <NickE> oh well, fun while it lasted
2013-09-07 21:04:18 : <NickE> will linger a lttle
2013-09-07 21:12:05 : <johnmanyjars> last night of the proms is on. the only time I ever see the British do patriotic.
2013-09-07 21:12:14 : <fredskuentz> proms?
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2013-09-07 21:12:36 : <johnmanyjars> http://www.bbc.co.uk/proms
2013-09-07 21:12:52 : <johnmanyjars> series of (mostly) classical music they do every year
2013-09-07 21:13:09 : <johnmanyjars> on the last night of it, they do all the British patriotic song stuff
2013-09-07 21:15:19 : <NickE> all the bits that *should* be the national anthem
2013-09-07 21:16:13 : <NickE> Jingoism a go go, but fun nonetheless
2013-09-07 21:16:32 : <NickE> Dr Who prome was quite good
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2013-09-07 21:17:23 : <NickE> never actually been, but used to watch teh Lst Night every year
2013-09-07 21:18:55 : <johnmanyjars> Yeah. You guys need one
2013-09-07 21:19:07 : <Lensman> That was strange, eris locked up and the text on my screen got fuzzy. A new sort of timeout from eris?
2013-09-07 21:19:28 : <johnmanyjars> I think you should have the rule britannia song as a national anthem
2013-09-07 21:19:47 : <johnmanyjars> it's way better than God Save the Queen
2013-09-07 21:20:43 : <NickE> agreed
2013-09-07 21:20:56 : <Lensman> Yah, come up with your -own- tune instead of stealing "My Country, 'Tis of Thee" from us Yanks! :)
2013-09-07 21:21:25 : <johnmanyjars> The US national anthem is a stolen English pub drinking song
2013-09-07 21:21:37 : <NickE> Rule Britannia is a way better tune
2013-09-07 21:21:39 : <Jim> Is Rule Britannia is anthem of the Conservative Party?
2013-09-07 21:22:25 : <Lensman> "The Star Spangled Banner"; great lyrics, but a lousy tune to try to sing.
2013-09-07 21:22:55 : <johnmanyjars> people pay me not to sing
2013-09-07 21:23:00 : <NickE> dunno don't care
2013-09-07 21:23:21 : <NickE> an all inspired when we burned down teh WHite House...oops :-)
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2013-09-07 21:24:35 : <ronn> I have returned.
2013-09-07 21:24:37 : <ronn> Had too many things going on & got booted off . . .
2013-09-07 21:24:54 : <NickE> at least that has actual relevance to national identity rather than a crawly bum lick isnt the monarchy wumnerful lyric
2013-09-07 21:25:42 : <Lensman> Hey, you just burned -out- the White House; we tore down the walls to salvage the building stones!
2013-09-07 21:26:07 : <NickE> well technivally yes :-)
2013-09-07 21:26:39 : <Jim> Sounds like a good song for UKIP.
2013-09-07 21:26:45 : <Lensman> What a great war was the War of 1812! Everybody won, nobody lost or tied. :)
2013-09-07 21:26:55 : <johnmanyjars> UKIP ugh
2013-09-07 21:26:58 : <NickE> heh
2013-09-07 21:27:05 : <NickE> yeh
2013-09-07 21:27:08 : <johnmanyjars> Nigel is a douchebag
2013-09-07 21:27:15 : <NickE> bigtime
2013-09-07 21:27:40 : <johnmanyjars> If the UK leaves the EU, I'm more likely to be out of a job
2013-09-07 21:27:48 : <NickE> and the rest
2013-09-07 21:28:07 : <johnmanyjars> I think i should run for MEP. I don't think you have to be a citizen
2013-09-07 21:28:25 : <fredskuentz> will they pull up the anchor and sail the UK over to Greenland?
2013-09-07 21:28:32 : <NickE> id vote for ya
2013-09-07 21:29:05 : <johnmanyjars> cool! i don't know which smoke filled room you have to hang out in to get chosen as a canidate
2013-09-07 21:29:17 : <johnmanyjars> the problem is.. i hate ALL the political parties here
2013-09-07 21:29:34 : <NickE> cunch of bunts the lot of 'em
2013-09-07 21:29:51 : <johnmanyjars> yeah. I used to think I liked the Liberal Democrats
2013-09-07 21:30:00 : <Jim> JMJ: Could they be as bad as the political parties in the US?
2013-09-07 21:30:16 : <johnmanyjars> until they fired that Scottish Drunk of a leader. The new leader is a doucebag
2013-09-07 21:30:19 : <NickE> sigh, me too, but Cleggs a dick#
2013-09-07 21:30:43 : <johnmanyjars> The Labour party is lead by pee wee herman
2013-09-07 21:30:53 : <NickE> Ashdown was teh alst leader with any ounce of cred
2013-09-07 21:30:58 : <johnmanyjars> and I've always hated them.
2013-09-07 21:31:03 : <fredskuentz> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Member_of_the_European_Parliament#Election_of_non-nationals
2013-09-07 21:31:17 : <johnmanyjars> I liked Charles Kennedy. Who cares if he's a drunk? I mean, he's Scottish
2013-09-07 21:32:09 : <johnmanyjars> I told you they crushed my car, right?
2013-09-07 21:32:32 : <fredskuentz> ack, no, but Ireland crushed a friend of mine's car recently
2013-09-07 21:32:32 : <NickE> no way!
2013-09-07 21:32:33 : <Lensman> Correct me if I'm wrong, but the British Parliamentary system only works if minority parties can join together to form a majority. The sort of extreme partisan polarization seen here currently in the USA simply cannot exist there. Political parties -have- to compromise to form a coaltion. True? Or am I over-simplifying?
2013-09-07 21:32:34 : <NickE> ffs
2013-09-07 21:32:48 : <fredskuentz> she gave her kids a ride on the hood down an empty street
2013-09-07 21:32:53 : <fredskuentz> neighbor called the cops
2013-09-07 21:33:25 : <Lensman> Crushed your car? I haven't heard this story.
2013-09-07 21:33:55 : <johnmanyjars> Lensman, in theory you're right, in practice, it almost never happens. this is the first coalition government that's lasted more than a few weeks
2013-09-07 21:35:24 : <johnmanyjars> Yeah. It had a blown head gasket, so I couldn't get it inspected. So, I couldn't get it taxed. Then my mother died, so I left it parked on the street with no tax
2013-09-07 21:35:29 : <johnmanyjars> they towed it away and crushed it
2013-09-07 21:35:35 : <Jim> I like the Imogen Lloyd-Weber view of moppets.
2013-09-07 21:36:30 : <fredskuentz> I don't think I even knew your mother died, Mark. Condolences.
2013-09-07 21:36:38 : <Jim> Yes.
2013-09-07 21:36:47 : <Lensman> My condolances too.
2013-09-07 21:36:58 : <johnmanyjars> fred and jim -> thanks. This was several years ago.
2013-09-07 21:37:02 : <johnmanyjars> and lens
2013-09-07 21:37:08 : <NickE> yes, tough
2013-09-07 21:37:14 : <johnmanyjars> so I had to jet back to Phoenix
2013-09-07 21:37:32 : <johnmanyjars> my dad has since moved to washington state
2013-09-07 21:37:37 : <johnmanyjars> so i may never set foot there again
2013-09-07 21:37:46 : <Lensman> So what happens then, if the coalitions fall apart? The Prime Minister continues in power despite the desertion of minority parties from the coalition?
2013-09-07 21:37:54 : <johnmanyjars> he could try to do that
2013-09-07 21:37:58 : <johnmanyjars> or he could call a new election
2013-09-07 21:38:50 : <johnmanyjars> it's Scotland and wales (devolved governments) that are designed to be coalition governments because they have proportional representation
2013-09-07 21:38:52 : <fredskuentz> I was going to ask how your dad was
2013-09-07 21:39:06 : <johnmanyjars> even so, the SNP managed to get a majority in Scotland
2013-09-07 21:39:22 : <johnmanyjars> my dad is in the land of the permanently bewildered...
2013-09-07 21:39:37 : <johnmanyjars> he always had a foot in it, but he's firmly living there now
2013-09-07 21:40:02 : <johnmanyjars> otherwise, he's doing pretty well for an 83 year old dude
2013-09-07 21:40:25 : <fredskuentz> u have siblings in WA?
2013-09-07 21:41:13 : <johnmanyjars> he lives with my brother and sister in law in Tri Cities (right by the Handford Nuclear Reservation). The non Jewish half of my family lives in Washington State.
2013-09-07 21:41:25 : <johnmanyjars> the Jews live in Nebraska and California
2013-09-07 21:42:02 : <Jim> Secular Jews?
2013-09-07 21:42:19 : <johnmanyjars> more or less.
2013-09-07 21:42:35 : <johnmanyjars> not crazy Orthodox Jews
2013-09-07 21:45:37 : <fredskuentz> so you no longer have a reason to come to Phoenix except to visit me
2013-09-07 21:46:07 : <johnmanyjars> true. I'll bring you that damn book
2013-09-07 21:46:19 : <fredskuentz> lol
2013-09-07 21:46:27 : <fredskuentz> so they didn't pick up my outgoing mail thurs
2013-09-07 21:46:38 : <fredskuentz> but they DID deliver mail friday
2013-09-07 21:46:48 : <fredskuentz> offer from Chapman Dodge to buy Mom's van back
2013-09-07 21:46:51 : <johnmanyjars> weird. should I send it to your po box
2013-09-07 21:47:45 : <fredskuentz> I told you I bought postcards and stamps and gave it to a friend and she and her kids were gonna send me mail every day?
2013-09-07 21:47:55 : <fredskuentz> she sent them to Mom's by mistake
2013-09-07 21:47:58 : <fredskuentz> :(
2013-09-07 21:48:03 : <johnmanyjars> whoops
2013-09-07 21:54:04 : <NickE> gonna bail, fighting a start of term cold (similar to con crud only without the funn memories before hand :-)
2013-09-07 21:56:05 : <ronn> NickE: Take care of yourself and get to feeling better!
2013-09-07 22:04:41 : <NickE> cheers, laters all
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2013-09-07 22:20:37 : <fredskuentz> Ah, now we can talk about the wonderfulness of our handguns!
2013-09-07 22:22:47 : <andy> but…I don't have any handguns.
2013-09-07 22:22:52 : <andy> Or any long guns for that matter.
2013-09-07 23:08:37 : <sean> I have one hand gun
2013-09-07 23:09:29 : <sean> tis a nice one... Beretta 92fs
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