Chat Log: October 5th, 2013

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2013-10-05 00:23:04 : <HAL9000> Greetings johnmanyjars, welcome to the #knownspace channel. larryniven-l chats are the first Saturday of the month. If it's not a chat day, chances are no one is actively monitoring the channel, so please be patient if no one responds to you immediately.
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2013-10-05 00:43:42 : <HAL9000> Greetings andy, welcome to the #knownspace channel. larryniven-l chats are the first Saturday of the month. If it's not a chat day, chances are no one is actively monitoring the channel, so please be patient if no one responds to you immediately.
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2013-10-05 01:18:28 : <HAL9000> Greetings fredskuentz, welcome to the #knownspace channel. larryniven-l chats are the first Saturday of the month. If it's not a chat day, chances are no one is actively monitoring the channel, so please be patient if no one responds to you immediately.
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2013-10-05 08:01:48 : <HAL9000> Greetings Akiraa, welcome to the #knownspace channel. larryniven-l chats are the first Saturday of the month. If it's not a chat day, chances are no one is actively monitoring the channel, so please be patient if no one responds to you immediately.
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2013-10-05 14:06:08 : <HAL9000> Greetings Lensman, welcome to the #knownspace channel. larryniven-l chats are the first Saturday of the month. If it's not a chat day, chances are no one is actively monitoring the channel, so please be patient if no one responds to you immediately.
Lensman_free
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2013-10-05 16:51:02 : <Alex_A> Hi
2013-10-05 16:52:00 : <andy> Hi
2013-10-05 16:52:55 : <Alex_A> I actually remembered the Saturday chat for a change :)
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2013-10-05 16:59:34 : <fredskuentz> Hey Alex_A
2013-10-05 16:59:39 : <fredskuentz> andy
2013-10-05 16:59:53 : <fredskuentz> Only 3 hours to go!
2013-10-05 17:32:09 : <sean> going to head into town for supplies. might swing by the library... any reading suggestions?
2013-10-05 17:54:55 : <fredskuentz> Fate of Worlds?
2013-10-05 17:55:09 : <fredskuentz> still haven't finished that one
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2013-10-05 18:15:33 : <fredskuentz> Hey Alex_A
2013-10-05 18:26:17 : <sean> library was channeling star wars
Lensman
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2013-10-05 18:35:16 : <Lensman> Library? Channeling?
2013-10-05 18:35:23 : <Alex_A_> Hey
2013-10-05 18:35:32 : <Lensman> Hey all.
2013-10-05 18:35:38 : <NickE> greetings programmes
2013-10-05 18:35:47 : <sean> yeah... darth and r2 were there. bunchc of kids running around with lightsabers
2013-10-05 18:36:14 : <Alex_A_> when's official start time?
2013-10-05 18:36:19 : <Alex_A_> .t
2013-10-05 18:36:20 : <Outsider> Sat, 05 Oct 2013 18:36:19 GMT
2013-10-05 18:36:41 : <Lensman> Was this an event? "Reading Rainbow" or the like? Or just some random kids being obnoxious?
2013-10-05 18:37:01 : <sean> let me look on their web site
2013-10-05 18:37:29 : <sean> Star Wars Reads Expo
2013-10-05 18:37:53 : <Lensman> Official start time used to be noon Pacific Time, but I think Sean moved it to 1 PM 'cuz Larry almost invariably showed up an hour late.
2013-10-05 18:38:16 : <sean> its 3pm eastern. same as it always has been.
2013-10-05 18:38:30 : <Alex_A_> 8pm BST?
2013-10-05 18:38:57 : <Alex_A_> 22 minutes from now?
2013-10-05 18:39:20 : <NickE> yeah, its 7pm GMT
2013-10-05 18:39:30 : <sean> 21 minutes
2013-10-05 18:39:35 : <Lensman> BST = GMT?
2013-10-05 18:39:39 : <NickE> but were on +1 till next week is it?
2013-10-05 18:39:44 : <Lensman> British Standard Time?
2013-10-05 18:39:54 : <NickE> British Summer Time
2013-10-05 18:40:02 : <NickE> (= GMT+1)
2013-10-05 18:40:02 : <Lensman> Ah, thanks.
2013-10-05 18:40:33 : <NickE> Clocks go back, we get an extra hour in bed...thas my favourite)
2013-10-05 18:41:06 : <Lensman> I always have trouble with whether Pacific time is plus or minus EST. I share that deficiency with Isaac Asimov, so I think I'm in good company. :)
2013-10-05 18:41:33 : <Lensman> Yah, an extra hour in bed is always appreciated.
2013-10-05 18:41:51 : <NickE> though teh suddenly darke evenings not so much
2013-10-05 18:42:06 : <NickE> (typing up to usual standrd I see)
2013-10-05 18:42:44 : <Lensman> Typos are expected online. So long as the meaning carries thru, who cares?
2013-10-05 18:43:10 : <NickE> yup
2013-10-05 18:43:13 : <Lensman> Larry says "Everybody talks first draft." There should be an equivalent for chat rooms.
2013-10-05 18:43:19 : <NickE> hehe
2013-10-05 18:44:22 : <sean> if it gets really funny, I could put it up on bash.org ;)
2013-10-05 18:44:51 : <Alex_A_> .t PST
2013-10-05 18:44:52 : <Outsider> Sat, 05 Oct 2013 10:44:51 PST
2013-10-05 18:46:21 : <Alex_A_> .t DST
2013-10-05 18:46:22 : <Outsider> Alex_A_: Sorry, I don't know about the 'DST' timezone.
2013-10-05 18:49:26 : <Alex_A_> Anyone else playing "Simpson's Tapped Out"?
2013-10-05 18:49:40 : <Lensman> So, anybody seen "Gravity" yet? Spoze to be the most realistic space movie since "2001: A Space Odyssey". Also supposed to be great in 3D. I've only seen "Avatar" in the new 3D, I hope to see this as my second.
2013-10-05 18:51:07 : <Lensman> I've been playing "Conqueror" online. Beta conquer-the-continent grand strategy game. Like "Risk" but more involved.
2013-10-05 18:52:09 : <Alex_A_> STO is a free smartphone & tablet game
2013-10-05 18:52:40 : <Alex_A_> It's gone all Halloween themed :)
2013-10-05 18:52:48 : <Lensman> Ah, you just anticipated my question.
2013-10-05 18:53:08 : <Alex_A_> .wik Simpson's Tapped Out
2013-10-05 18:53:09 : <Outsider> "Search for 'Simpson's Tapped Out' in existing articles." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simpson's_Tapped_Out
2013-10-05 18:53:39 : <Lensman> I assumed it was a game, but then realize your comment fits a song, too.
2013-10-05 18:53:56 : <Lensman> Realized.
2013-10-05 18:53:57 : <Alex_A_> ha!
2013-10-05 18:54:39 : <Lensman> Sometimes assumptions are correct. :)
2013-10-05 18:54:55 : <Alex_A_> Outsider knows all :)
2013-10-05 18:55:14 : <Lensman> Close the pod bay doors, Outsider.
2013-10-05 18:55:30 : <Alex_A_> And he doesn't charge a billion Stars! :)
2013-10-05 18:55:37 : <andy> Outsider: Tell Lensman "I can't do that, Dave"
2013-10-05 18:55:41 : <Lensman> That's "trillion".
2013-10-05 18:55:47 : <andy> wait
2013-10-05 18:55:48 : <andy> Outsider: tell Lensman "I can't do that, Dave"
2013-10-05 18:55:49 : <Outsider> andy: I'll pass that on when Lensman is around.
2013-10-05 18:56:21 : <andy> Outsider doesn't know that upper case T versus lower case t doesn't make a difference...
2013-10-05 18:56:21 : <Lensman> So Outsider does -not- know all!
2013-10-05 18:56:22 : <Outsider> Lensman: 18:55Z <andy> tell Lensman "I can't do that, Dave"
2013-10-05 18:56:40 : <andy> Outsider is pretty smart for a bot, though.
2013-10-05 18:56:41 : <Alex_A_> Hehe
2013-10-05 18:57:07 : <Lensman> Okay... I -am- impressed!
2013-10-05 18:57:43 : <Alex_A_> he's a phenny bot
2013-10-05 18:57:50 : <Alex_A_> .g phenny
2013-10-05 18:57:51 : <Outsider> Alex_A_: http://inamidst.com/phenny/
2013-10-05 18:58:10 : <andy> yes, very useful - sean uses the .weather function a lot
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2013-10-05 18:59:08 : <sean> its faster getting the current temp that way than punching up accuweather
2013-10-05 18:59:30 : <Alex_A_> .g icao boscombe down
2013-10-05 18:59:31 : <Outsider> Alex_A_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MoD_Boscombe_Down
2013-10-05 18:59:40 : <Lensman> I was at a local community "makers" workshop, they had a voice activated computer program hooked to a voice synthesizer on the P.A. system. The guy feeding "her" lines kept saying "Open the pod bay doors" but he said it like two dozen times before "she" finally gave the correct response. He said as an aside, "I programmed it not to respond until I sounded really frustrated." Dunno if that was a joke or not!
2013-10-05 19:00:05 : <Alex_A_> .weather EGDM
2013-10-05 19:00:06 : <Outsider> Clear ☼, 14℃, 1023mb, Light breeze 5kt (↑) - EGDM 17:50Z
2013-10-05 19:00:21 : <Alex_A_> My weather :)
2013-10-05 19:02:10 : <Alex_A_> Outsider: help?
2013-10-05 19:02:11 : <Outsider> Alex_A_: Hi, I'm a bot. Say ".commands" to me in private for a list of my commands, or see http://inamidst.com/phenny/ for more general details. My owner is UncleNasty.
2013-10-05 19:03:31 : <Lensman> Outsider: .commands
2013-10-05 19:04:01 : <Lensman> Okay, I don't speak Outsider.
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2013-10-05 19:04:14 : <sean> .help
2013-10-05 19:04:15 : <dmac44> hi guys.
2013-10-05 19:04:17 : <sean> hmm
2013-10-05 19:04:24 : <NickE> hey
2013-10-05 19:04:25 : <Gofffan> Hey Sean .... gentlemen ....
2013-10-05 19:04:26 : <Outsider> Gofffan: 31 May 21:12Z <fredskuentz> tell Gofffan welcome to the June Niven chat!
2013-10-05 19:04:38 : <fredskuentz> Gofff!
2013-10-05 19:04:42 : <fredskuentz> I greet you with this
2013-10-05 19:04:43 : <fredskuentz> https://scontent-b-sjc.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/1377443_590098891037062_382406041_n.jpg
2013-10-05 19:04:46 : <Gofffan> Made it!
2013-10-05 19:05:05 : <Lensman> Welcome.
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2013-10-05 19:05:28 : <andy> fredskuentz: I...that....it's BEAUTIFUL!
2013-10-05 19:05:36 : <NickE> shiny
2013-10-05 19:05:36 : <fredskuentz> :)
2013-10-05 19:05:46 : <fredskuentz> Valkyrie (XB-70) 1957
2013-10-05 19:05:54 : <sean> lens... try /msg outsider commands
2013-10-05 19:06:04 : <NickE> now *thats* a spaceship
2013-10-05 19:06:32 : <NickE> or it should have been
2013-10-05 19:06:34 : <Lensman> What year is that model from? :)
2013-10-05 19:06:35 : <fredskuentz> IIRC it was the bomber companion to the SR-71
2013-10-05 19:06:42 : <NickE> ah
2013-10-05 19:07:05 : <NickE> the Blackbird alwasy looked like it belonged in space anyway
2013-10-05 19:07:15 : <fredskuentz> Or underwater
2013-10-05 19:07:15 : <Alex_A_> worth visiting Drayton just to see the real thing :)
2013-10-05 19:07:32 : <fredskuentz> Amazing how many artists have used the SR-71 as a submersible
2013-10-05 19:07:38 : <Lensman> Yeah, the Blackbird was too kewl to be a spy plane!
2013-10-05 19:07:46 : <sean> thats the xb35 valkarie isnt it
2013-10-05 19:07:47 : <Alex_A_> .wik XB70
2013-10-05 19:07:48 : <Outsider> "Search for 'XB70' in existing articles." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XB70
2013-10-05 19:08:18 : <andy> .wik XB-70
2013-10-05 19:08:19 : <Outsider> "The North American Aviation XB-70 Valkyrie was the prototype version of the proposed B-70 nuclear-armed deep-penetration strategic bomber for the United States Air Force's (USAF) Strategic Air Command." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XB-70
2013-10-05 19:08:27 : <andy> that works better. :)
2013-10-05 19:08:43 : <sean> hippy having a problem getting on the server
2013-10-05 19:08:54 : <Alex_A_> I foolishly assumed hyphen wasn't needed
2013-10-05 19:10:32 : <Gofffan> Nuclear-armed strategic bomber as opposed to nuclear powered strategic bomber ... which was developed.
2013-10-05 19:10:40 : <Lensman> "Valkarie", well that explains the costume.
2013-10-05 19:11:55 : <Alex_A_> of course being a Brit I have a soft spot for the TSR2
2013-10-05 19:11:59 : <Lensman> Reading about the nuclear -powered- bomber is pretty hair-raising. Obviously built before we really understood the hazards of ionizing radiation!
2013-10-05 19:12:17 : <Gofffan> They scrubbed down the runway after take-off.
2013-10-05 19:12:29 : <Alex_A_> The crew had a shield
2013-10-05 19:13:00 : <Lensman> The cockpit was shielded. The ground crew didn't have any such protection.
2013-10-05 19:13:07 : <Gofffan> Too much torking in an airborne vehicle. More than a sub.
2013-10-05 19:13:13 : <Alex_A_> indeed
2013-10-05 19:13:39 : <Gofffan> Torquing.
2013-10-05 19:13:58 : <Alex_A_> only went critical in flight during experiments IIRC
2013-10-05 19:14:34 : <Alex_A_> but that reactor never actually powered the plane
2013-10-05 19:15:25 : <Lensman> Putting a radiation shield around the entire reactor was too heavy for a plane. So they just put a shield at the back of the cockpit; the other directions were not shielded.
2013-10-05 19:16:01 : <sean> ack... satellite reports complete signal lost. storms in the area.
2013-10-05 19:16:08 : <Alex_A_> Yeah hence my "the crew were shielded"
2013-10-05 19:16:09 : <Lensman> Ah, Alex got there first; the reactor didn't actually propel the plane.
2013-10-05 19:16:20 : <Lensman> Experimental only.
2013-10-05 19:17:24 : <Alex_A_> The proposed nuclear ramjet cruise missile was "fun"
2013-10-05 19:17:50 : <Alex_A_> I don't recall project name
2013-10-05 19:18:15 : <Gofffan> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Pluto
2013-10-05 19:18:21 : <Gofffan> Project Pluto.
2013-10-05 19:18:22 : <Alex_A_> Would spew radioactivity as it flew IIRC
2013-10-05 19:18:37 : <Lensman> So, was the idea to have the reactor power electric motors for propellors? Not a jet? I don't recall the details.
2013-10-05 19:19:03 : <Gofffan> motion of the vehicle pushed air in through the front of the vehicle (ram effect), a nuclear reactor heated the air, and then the hot air expanded at high speed out through a nozzle at the back, providing thrust.
2013-10-05 19:19:53 : <Alex_A_> SLAM was it - it that Pluto article
2013-10-05 19:20:13 : <Alex_A_> the nuke bomber would use turbojets
2013-10-05 19:20:37 : <Gofffan> Right: Supersonic Low Altitude Missile
2013-10-05 19:20:38 : <Alex_A_> with heat from reactor in place of combustors
2013-10-05 19:20:40 : <Lensman> I don't know that it would be a significant hazard to just have the plane fly overhead. It's not like it's dropping fallout. But I do -not- want to be the guy who has to do maintenance on the plane...
2013-10-05 19:21:27 : <Lensman> Oh, direct nuclear heating of the air. Erase what I just said about no fallout!
2013-10-05 19:21:59 : <Gofffan> Give the term Global Warming a new twist.
2013-10-05 19:22:07 : <Alex_A_> nuke bomber was indirect heating so no fallout
2013-10-05 19:22:37 : <Alex_A_> SLAM <> nuclear bomber
2013-10-05 19:23:07 : <Gofffan> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supersonic_Low_Altitude_Missile
2013-10-05 19:23:49 : <Gofffan> Unmanned nuclear long range bomber!
2013-10-05 19:24:16 : <Lensman> Really, indirect heating would have been sufficient to propel the plane? I didn't realize that was possible. I do find the idea of the "nuclear light bulb" for rocket propulsion interesting, but I understand actually building one would pose some significant engineering challenges.
2013-10-05 19:24:50 : <Lensman> "Nuclear light bulb" allows radiation to shine thru a quartz window to heat up the fuel.
2013-10-05 19:25:50 : <Lensman> Supposedly it allows ISP far higher than mere chemical combustion.
2013-10-05 19:26:18 : <Lensman> Like NERVA only better. (That was a Niven reference, BTW.)
2013-10-05 19:27:05 : <Lensman> In "Wait it Out", the mission to Pluto was NERVA powered.
2013-10-05 19:28:22 : <Alex_A_> .wik nuclear bomber
2013-10-05 19:28:23 : <Outsider> "A bomber is a military aircraft designed to attack ground and sea targets, by dropping bombs on them, firing torpedoes at them, or – in recent years – by launching cruise missiles at them." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_bomber
2013-10-05 19:29:33 : <Alex_A_> Ok fail
2013-10-05 19:29:58 : <sean> yeah... didnt think that was what you were looking for :)
2013-10-05 19:30:01 : <Lensman> A bomber carrying cruise missiles? Seems redundant.
2013-10-05 19:30:25 : <dmac44> They've been able to carry them for a quarter century.
2013-10-05 19:31:13 : <sean> hippy says he loves Wait It Out.
2013-10-05 19:31:29 : <Lensman> The only thing that would do is extend the range of the missle. Why not just put on a booster stage?
2013-10-05 19:31:50 : <Lensman> Darn it! I do know how to spell "missile".
2013-10-05 19:31:56 : <sean> he is getting a time out connecting to server with mirc.
2013-10-05 19:32:04 : <Alex_A_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraft_Nuclear_Propulsion
2013-10-05 19:32:50 : <Alex_A_> apparently direct heating of air WAS an option
2013-10-05 19:33:01 : <dmac44> The airforce has been working on that. A one hour strike anywhere in the world weapon. From Aviation Week they're still working on it.
2013-10-05 19:33:16 : <Alex_A_> no mention of safety in that article
2013-10-05 19:34:32 : <Lensman> Re the nuclear powered bomber: Well, we're talking about a doomsday scenario, right? I suspect SAT wasn't all that worried about dropping a bit of fallout over the Soviet landscape, when the mission was to nuke their cities...
2013-10-05 19:34:45 : <Alex_A_> the USAF have a next-gen bomber in their plans (to replace B1/B2/B52)
2013-10-05 19:34:55 : <dmac44> Lens: Bombers carrying cruise missiles can operate outside an air defense system. My recollection is back in the 80s there was a nuclear armed crusie missile called SRAM.
2013-10-05 19:35:14 : <Lensman> Now, the fallout over your -own- territory starting at the air base it takes off from... that would be collateral damage, in today's parlance.
2013-10-05 19:35:17 : <Alex_A_> Conventional subsonic plane IIRC
2013-10-05 19:36:00 : <Alex_A_> They've realised hypersonics aren't ready for big time
2013-10-05 19:36:17 : <Lensman> So far as I know, we still do have nuclear cruise missles. Yeah, I know the tactical nukes were all supposedly disarmed, but...
2013-10-05 19:36:53 : <Lensman> Aren't our subs, at least, still carrying nuclear-tipped cruise missiles?
2013-10-05 19:37:08 : <Lensman> Those would be considered strategic, not tactical.
2013-10-05 19:37:36 : <dmac44> I don't think subs carried crusie missile nukes. I thought all their cruise missiles were conventional.
2013-10-05 19:37:56 : <Lensman> Don't need hypersonic. Just use the cruise missile as the last stage of an ICBM.
2013-10-05 19:38:18 : <Alex_A_> I'm pretty sure B52s and B2s still carry nuclear cruise missiles
2013-10-05 19:38:22 : <sean> cruise missiles are conventional but can be mated to a tactical nuke warhead if someone gets really pissed off.
2013-10-05 19:38:31 : <Alex_A_> when in strategic role
2013-10-05 19:38:37 : <dmac44> The chinese have developed a maneuvering RV/cruise missile to attack aircraft carriers.
2013-10-05 19:39:36 : <dmac44> Delivered by ballistic missile.
2013-10-05 19:39:38 : <sean> oh, didnt realize it was more or less a tactical vs strategic conversation. have not really been following
2013-10-05 19:41:29 : <Lensman> Submarine launched cruise missiles: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submarine-launched_cruise_missile
2013-10-05 19:41:42 : <Lensman> But doesn't address the question of tactical vs. strategic nukes.
2013-10-05 19:41:45 : <sean> did anybody have any problem logging in today?
2013-10-05 19:42:13 : <fredskuentz> knot eye
2013-10-05 19:42:14 : "Dan" joined the channel.
2013-10-05 19:42:17 : <Lensman> I didn't. Sorry to hear about Hippy's problem.
2013-10-05 19:42:23 : <fredskuentz> Dan got in okay
2013-10-05 19:42:24 : <Lensman> Hi Dan!
2013-10-05 19:42:30 : <Gofffan> Me too.
2013-10-05 19:42:36 : <Lensman> But I signed in way early today.
2013-10-05 19:42:45 : <fredskuentz> Took Gofffan two tries :)
2013-10-05 19:42:48 : <Dan> Hi there. Just got back from the grocery store in time for the GA / TN game.
2013-10-05 19:42:49 : <Alex_A_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGM-129_ACM only on B52
2013-10-05 19:42:55 : <Gofffan> logged out accidentally
2013-10-05 19:43:06 : <fredskuentz> Figured you didn't allow for the wind
2013-10-05 19:43:18 : <Gofffan> :)
2013-10-05 19:43:20 : <dmac44> No problem here.
2013-10-05 19:43:42 : <sean> He is back in Oz and figures that it is something to do with Telstra, his provider.
2013-10-05 19:44:02 : <sean> hey dan
2013-10-05 19:44:33 : <Lensman> "Today's Niven Chat topic: Nuclear weapons of mass destruction" :)
Nuclear weapons of mass destruction
2013-10-05 19:45:15 : <dmac44> Is there any other type?
2013-10-05 19:45:30 : <fredskuentz> yes
2013-10-05 19:45:37 : <dmac44> M&M size?
2013-10-05 19:45:40 : <fredskuentz> neutron bombs
2013-10-05 19:45:46 : <Lensman> Sure, using nuclear dust to target a specific person. Supposedly the Soviets assassinated someone that way.
2013-10-05 19:45:46 : <fredskuentz> and it's even obniven
2013-10-05 19:46:22 : <fredskuentz> one of Larry's non fiction works advocated telling your congressperson to push for neutron bombs
2013-10-05 19:46:36 : <fredskuentz> radiation takes out the people but not the places
2013-10-05 19:46:50 : <fredskuentz> because all the easy resources are already taken
2013-10-05 19:46:51 : <Lensman> Hmmm, well neutron bombs fit -my- definition of WMDs, anyway.
2013-10-05 19:46:52 : <Alex_A_> this is the cruise missile used on subs http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomahawk_(missile)
2013-10-05 19:47:08 : <sean> Hippy asks if anyone is using windows 8
2013-10-05 19:47:17 : <dmac44> No
2013-10-05 19:47:21 : <fredskuentz> certainly not me
2013-10-05 19:47:24 : <Alex_A_> there was a nuclear version, now withdrawn from service
2013-10-05 19:47:40 : <Lensman> Perhaps we should ask: What's the dividing line between "tactical" and "strategic" nuke? If you hit a city with a "tactical" nuke, does that make it strategic?
2013-10-05 19:47:41 : <Dan> XP here.
2013-10-05 19:47:59 : <Lensman> Still XP here too.
2013-10-05 19:48:08 : <dmac44> 7 here.
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2013-10-05 19:48:58 : <Alex_A_> android on my Kindle Fire HD :)
2013-10-05 19:49:18 : <Lensman> So, we no longer have any missile subs carrying nuclear-tipped cruise missiles? Interesting.
2013-10-05 19:49:36 : <Lensman> Not saying that's a bad thing by any means.
2013-10-05 19:49:46 : <Alex_A_> if you believe Wikipedia, yes
2013-10-05 19:49:55 : <Dan> I wonder what I'd have to use to connect with my iPad. Not that I have much use for the Pad yet. But it was free.
2013-10-05 19:49:56 : <dmac44> Lens: yes. Think of hiroshima. 20 KT.
2013-10-05 19:50:15 : <Alex_A_> it does avoid confusion
2013-10-05 19:50:27 : <Lensman> dmac: I'm not up on my kilotonnage. How does 20 KT compared to a "tactical" nuke?
2013-10-05 19:50:51 : <Alex_A_> a cruise missile launch won't risk triggering a nuclear was
2013-10-05 19:50:54 : <Lensman> Oh, wait... that was KT as opposed to Megatons.
2013-10-05 19:51:14 : <dmac44> My recollection is that strategic nukes are in the 100 KT+ range. Yes, kilotons.
2013-10-05 19:51:33 : <Alex_A_> still plenty of Trident SLBMs of course :)
2013-10-05 19:51:45 : <Gofffan> I like that they list the Tomahawk as being 'all weather.'
2013-10-05 19:51:58 : <sean> i would think that anything 50 kilotons and lower would be considered a tactical nuke in todays world
2013-10-05 19:52:01 : <Lensman> What means "SLBM" ?
2013-10-05 19:52:16 : <sean> submarine launched balistic missile
2013-10-05 19:52:17 : <Dan> Sub-Launched Balistic Missile
2013-10-05 19:52:22 : <Alex_A_> .g SLBM
2013-10-05 19:52:23 : <Outsider> Alex_A_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submarine-launched_ballistic_missile
2013-10-05 19:52:24 : <Lensman> Thanx.
2013-10-05 19:53:14 : <Alex_A_> British Tridents have been voluntarily de-MIRVed
2013-10-05 19:53:50 : <Lensman> LOL! Well, I hope that any sub-launched missile is "all weather"! (WARNING: Warranty is voided if exposed to rain or seawater.)
2013-10-05 19:54:10 : <dmac44> Bigger bombs have been developed. Again, my recollection is the Soviets test a 58 MT one. Probably not deployed though.
2013-10-05 19:54:33 : <Alex_A_> .g tsar bomba
2013-10-05 19:54:34 : <Outsider> Alex_A_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsar_Bomba
2013-10-05 19:55:02 : <Dan> As I recall, the Tsar Bomba was limited to only half its potential. It scared even the Russians.
2013-10-05 19:55:36 : <Dan> Feel free to correct me if my memory is faulty, of course.
2013-10-05 19:55:38 : <Lensman> Soviets did indeed go for massive overkill. But then, we have so many more nukes than we could ever possibly need, so that is even worse overkil, and a waste of taxpayer money to boot. (Sorry for the political rant.)
2013-10-05 19:56:18 : <fredskuentz> We're used to it
2013-10-05 19:56:22 : <fredskuentz> bored to death of it
2013-10-05 19:56:25 : <fredskuentz> but used to it
2013-10-05 19:56:48 : <Alex_A_> the UK nuclear force was sized by the "Moscow criterion"
2013-10-05 19:57:09 : <Dan> Gallagher's "ICBMWs" was a cute comedy bit.
2013-10-05 19:57:37 : <Alex_A_> enough to get through ABM defences and still obliterate Moscow
2013-10-05 19:57:57 : <fredskuentz> hey everybody
2013-10-05 19:58:00 : <fredskuentz> it's october!
2013-10-05 19:58:00 : <fredskuentz> https://scontent-b-sjc.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/1382909_714093858605282_1296350221_n.jpg
2013-10-05 19:58:07 : <Lensman> "The initial three-stage design was capable of yielding approximately 100 Mt, but it would have caused too much radioactive fallout. To limit fallout, the third stage and possibly the second stage had a lead tamper..."
2013-10-05 19:58:24 : <Alex_A_> IIRC it's now "de-targeted"
2013-10-05 19:58:37 : <Alex_A_> .g Moscow criterion
2013-10-05 19:58:38 : <Outsider> Alex_A_: http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/3ce68230-9dd1-11e1-9a9e-00144feabdc0.html
2013-10-05 19:59:07 : <NickE> back (looking for a cat in teh garden.. no luck)
2013-10-05 19:59:20 : <Alex_A_> .wik Moscow criterion
2013-10-05 19:59:21 : <Outsider> "Search for 'Moscow criterion' in existing articles." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_criterion
2013-10-05 19:59:58 : <Lensman> Reportedly, all our ICBMs are currently "detargeted", reportedly aimed at the Sargasso Sea. But they say that re-targeting them takes only 15 minutes.
2013-10-05 20:00:28 : <Gofffan> 14 if you pick just one.
2013-10-05 20:00:36 : <dmac44> Those poor fish.
2013-10-05 20:00:41 : <fredskuentz> Who decided that the Sargasso Sea was expendible?
2013-10-05 20:00:57 : <Lensman> Yeah, I'm sure Greenpeace is outraged.
2013-10-05 20:01:47 : <fredskuentz> It's like that idiot that wanted to seed the ocean to make ozone, and his plan was to basically make the Pacific from Hawai'i to Oceana unihabitiable
2013-10-05 20:01:56 : <fredskuentz> 'cause there was nothing there anybody cared about anyway
2013-10-05 20:02:09 : <fredskuentz> say goodbye to the whales ...
2013-10-05 20:02:18 : <Lensman> I missed that one. Seed it with what?
2013-10-05 20:02:22 : <Dan> He wanted to dump in hundreds of tons of iron oxide, didn't he?
2013-10-05 20:02:29 : <fredskuentz> probably
2013-10-05 20:02:40 : <fredskuentz> was gonna wipe out 50,000 square miles of ocean
2013-10-05 20:02:49 : <Gofffan> man
2013-10-05 20:02:51 : <fredskuentz> I always wondered why they didn't say cubic
2013-10-05 20:03:01 : <Lensman> Iron oxide = plankton bloom. How does that make it "uninhabitable"?
2013-10-05 20:03:11 : <dmac44> Not to make ozone but to make plankton which would absorb carbon dioxide
2013-10-05 20:03:16 : <Dan> The alge would bloom, soak up loads of CO2, and exhale a lot of O2.
2013-10-05 20:03:24 : <fredskuentz> Lenman, uninhabitable was stated in the plan
2013-10-05 20:03:53 : <Gofffan> A non-reversible fix. Great idea.
2013-10-05 20:03:58 : <fredskuentz> the next stage was "and then a miracle occurs"
2013-10-05 20:04:14 : <Dan> Or a bunch of fat baleen whales...
2013-10-05 20:04:30 : <fredskuentz> as all this newly born ozone bubbled off the surface and found it's way to high above Antarctica
2013-10-05 20:04:30 : <dmac44> I think the idea was geo-engineering. The plankton die and take their CO2 to the bottom of the ocean.
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2013-10-05 20:04:53 : <Lensman> Fred: Perhaps you're confusing two plans.
2013-10-05 20:04:56 : <fredskuentz> Hey ronn
2013-10-05 20:05:06 : <sean> hi ronn
2013-10-05 20:05:13 : <Lensman> Plankton bloom doesn't create ozone.
2013-10-05 20:05:14 : <ronn> Hi, all!
2013-10-05 20:05:21 : <Lensman> Welcome Ronn!
2013-10-05 20:05:26 : <fredskuentz> Lensman: perhaps you've never heard of this, have no data on it, and have no idea whatsoever what the TANJ you're talking about
2013-10-05 20:05:27 : <NickE> hi ronn
2013-10-05 20:06:04 : <Lensman> I have certainly heard of the plan to seed the ocean with iron oxide. So has dmac.
2013-10-05 20:06:46 : <Lensman> And you dont' need to get so defensive just because someone suggests you're mis-remembering something.
2013-10-05 20:07:04 : <dmac44> fred: do you have a URL we can look at?
2013-10-05 20:07:25 : <fredskuentz> No, this was years ago
2013-10-05 20:07:41 : <dmac44> I do remember the plan did have problems.
2013-10-05 20:07:45 : <ronn> “Nuclear weapons of mass destruction”?, huh?
2013-10-05 20:07:47 : <ronn> About 1 part in 140 for fusion. About one-tent of that for fission. ;)
2013-10-05 20:07:53 : <Dan> Nearly a decade and a half aga, wasn't it?
2013-10-05 20:07:58 : <ronn> "tenth"
2013-10-05 20:07:59 : <fredskuentz> When it's someone who is routinely wrong about everything he says, I get annoyed, not defensive
2013-10-05 20:08:04 : <fredskuentz> Dan, probably
2013-10-05 20:08:14 : <fredskuentz> It was already over by the time we heard of it
2013-10-05 20:08:23 : <Lensman> One problem with the plan was that there was no evidence of long-term carbon sequestration. May have been only seasonal. It needs experimental study.
2013-10-05 20:08:24 : <Alex_A_> we're expecting announcement on UK New build nuclear power plants "real soon now"
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2013-10-05 20:08:38 : <fredskuentz> But it's just scary; what if it had been approved by the time we'd heard of it?
2013-10-05 20:08:40 : <fredskuentz> Hey Jim
2013-10-05 20:09:08 : <fredskuentz> Is there any design change in the new reactors?
2013-10-05 20:09:16 : <Jim> fi
2013-10-05 20:09:18 : <Lensman> Ronn: We were discussing the experimental nuclear-powered bomber, and that lead to discussion of nuclear weapons.
2013-10-05 20:09:19 : <fredskuentz> or is it just 'resumption of construction'?
2013-10-05 20:09:21 : <Jim> ho
2013-10-05 20:09:26 : <Jim> hi
2013-10-05 20:09:35 : <fredskuentz> and of course, obNiven, end of Lucifer's Hamner
2013-10-05 20:09:39 : <Dan> I'd suspect that any plancton bloom large enough to make a difference in the global CO2 levels would also kill off a huge number of fish.
2013-10-05 20:09:41 : <fredskuentz> "we control the lightning"
2013-10-05 20:09:54 : <fredskuentz> Dan, yeah, that was the problem
2013-10-05 20:10:16 : <fredskuentz> Was going to turn the South Pacific into what people used to think the Sargasso Sea was
2013-10-05 20:10:20 : <fredskuentz> total murk
2013-10-05 20:10:36 : <Lensman> Actually it started with a design for a strategic nuclear bomber, planned as a companion of the SR-71 Blackbird.
2013-10-05 20:10:59 : <fredskuentz> https://scontent-b-sjc.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/1377443_590098891037062_382406041_n.jpg
2013-10-05 20:11:20 : <Dan> Lensman, was that the shoeheel-shaped flying wing design?
2013-10-05 20:11:22 : <Lensman> Thanks for the link, Fred.
2013-10-05 20:11:47 : <Lensman> Dan: Sorry, I dunno what you're talking about. Never saw such a thing.
2013-10-05 20:12:29 : <fredskuentz> Shoeheel shaped?
2013-10-05 20:12:34 : <fredskuentz> like in WAR OF THE WORLDS?
2013-10-05 20:12:40 : <Lensman> There was a flying wing bomber in George Pal's "War of the Worlds", used to unsuccessfully nuke the Martians.
2013-10-05 20:13:18 : <fredskuentz> it was one of these
2013-10-05 20:13:18 : <fredskuentz> http://www.fiddlersgreen.net/aircraft/Northrop-XB35/IMAGES/Northrop-XB35-Flying-Wing-Bomber-Title.jpg
2013-10-05 20:13:20 : <ronn> Lensman: I was just providing the amount of mass destroyed by both types of reactions. Admittedly it's a little difficult to confirm experimentally, since that would require collecting _all_ the material left from the explosion (and separating it from other stuff) and comparing the mass to the pre-explosion mass . . .
2013-10-05 20:13:31 : <Dan> Basically a flying wing shaped like the front half of a hokey puck. The stealth bomber proved that the original design would have been damned difficult to fly without computer-controled avionics, which didn't exist at the time.
2013-10-05 20:14:21 : <Lensman> Nope, they used this in the Pal film: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8f/YB49-6_300.jpg/220px-YB49-6_300.jpg
2013-10-05 20:14:33 : <Dan> I think Popular Mechanics had an article on it, once it was no longer top secret.
2013-10-05 20:14:44 : <fredskuentz> this the shoeheel?
2013-10-05 20:14:45 : <fredskuentz> http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-gskQDciLmhY/TdqioxbTEHI/AAAAAAAABDM/Ep03Ek4MbkY/s1600/PDF%2BPhotos%2BHorten%2BParabola.jpg
2013-10-05 20:14:50 : <Gofffan> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:YB49-6_300.jpg
2013-10-05 20:15:07 : <fredskuentz> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8f/YB49-6_300.jpg/760px-YB49-6_300.jpg
2013-10-05 20:15:15 : <Lensman> Stock footage of an actual flying wing. But yeah, it was pretty unstable. Still is, except that computers are used to actively stabilize it in flight.
2013-10-05 20:15:42 : <Lensman> As I recall, the old program was ended after one of the test planes crashed due to that instability.
2013-10-05 20:16:56 : <Jim> has Larry been here?
2013-10-05 20:17:02 : <Lensman> Nope, Jim.
2013-10-05 20:17:27 : <Lensman> I have a friend who is highly interested in the flying wing design, so I know more about it than I really want to. :)
2013-10-05 20:18:01 : <fredskuentz> ever wonder where there was enough cargo room in the cute little flying wing in RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK to put the Ark of the Covenant?
2013-10-05 20:18:11 : <ronn> More at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_YB-35
2013-10-05 20:18:49 : <Alex_A_> Fredskuentz: there's a couple of new designs that have been approved for new build nuclear in
2013-10-05 20:18:56 : <Lensman> I never was sold on the "Raiders" flying wing as an operational aircraft. Wings too small, landing gear too large.
2013-10-05 20:19:17 : <fredskuentz> and every square in that wasn't pilot would be fuel
2013-10-05 20:19:18 : <fredskuentz> http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100106065537/indianajones/images/3/3b/18501020.jpg
2013-10-05 20:20:01 : <Alex_A_> fredskruentz: both PETs
2013-10-05 20:20:53 : <Alex_A_> PWRs
2013-10-05 20:21:06 : <Alex_A_> Damn autocorrect
2013-10-05 20:21:25 : <Alex_A_> .wik UK nuclear New build
2013-10-05 20:21:26 : <Outsider> "Search for 'UK nuclear New build' in existing articles." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_nuclear_New_build
2013-10-05 20:21:40 : <ronn> In the end, the program was terminated due to its technical difficulties, the obsolescence of its reciprocating propeller engines, and the program being far behind schedule and over budget. Another contributing factor to the program's failure was the tendency of Northrop to become engaged in many experimental programs, which spread its small engineering staff far too wide. While the...
2013-10-05 20:21:41 : <ronn> ...competing propeller-driven B-36 was obsolete by that time and had just as many or even more development problems, the Air Force needed a very long range, post-war atomic bomber to counter the perceived Soviet threat. It had more faith that the B-36's "teething" problems could be overcome, compared to those of the new and radical "Flying Wing", the unofficial name that was later associated...
2013-10-05 20:21:42 : <ronn> ...with all the Northrop "all-wing" designs.
2013-10-05 20:22:46 : <Gofffan> Why was a single wing design considered advantageous?
2013-10-05 20:23:06 : <Gofffan> Radar?
2013-10-05 20:23:17 : <sean> all lift.. less drag
2013-10-05 20:23:29 : <fredskuentz> looks cool :)
2013-10-05 20:23:34 : <Gofffan> true
2013-10-05 20:23:43 : <fredskuentz> "look what they've got! we better surrender quick!"
2013-10-05 20:24:24 : <Gofffan> "They must have opposable thumbs!"
2013-10-05 20:24:32 : <fredskuentz> It was an early contender for trans-atlantic flight
2013-10-05 20:24:59 : <fredskuentz> in theory going farther while carrying more
2013-10-05 20:25:18 : <fredskuentz> We're talking before the days of Tom Swift and his Ocean Airport
2013-10-05 20:25:26 : <Gofffan> After the Graf Zeppelin?
2013-10-05 20:26:38 : <fredskuentz> they were first proposed ... probably pre WW1?
2013-10-05 20:27:07 : <Lensman> Not sure, but I think that design would have allowed for massive amounts of fuel to be carried, and also as Sean said, more lift so longer range.
2013-10-05 20:27:23 : <sean> it was in Raiders of the Lost Ark... that was what 36?
2013-10-05 20:27:41 : <Alex_A_> .g horten flying wing
2013-10-05 20:27:42 : <Outsider> Alex_A_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horten_Ho_229
2013-10-05 20:28:13 : <fredskuentz> Gofffan, long before the Graf Zeppelin
2013-10-05 20:28:28 : <Gofffan> gotcha
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2013-10-05 20:29:20 : <fredskuentz> But well after The Nautilus
2013-10-05 20:29:21 : <fredskuentz> :D
2013-10-05 20:29:39 : <Gofffan> Ha
2013-10-05 20:29:40 : <fredskuentz> Hey, who booted Sooby?
2013-10-05 20:29:41 : "Lensman" joined the channel.
2013-10-05 20:29:57 : <Lensman> Dang, pushed the wrong button.
2013-10-05 20:30:08 : <fredskuentz> didn't miss much
2013-10-05 20:30:23 : <Gofffan> See? I did it by screwing up copying a link.
2013-10-05 20:30:29 : <Lensman> So, the "Raiders" flying wing was based on a jet plane design? That explains the small wings, then.
2013-10-05 20:30:39 : <fredskuentz> relative dates of flying wings, graf zeppelins, Nautili
2013-10-05 20:30:48 : <fredskuentz> Yeah, it's got a ram scoop on the back
2013-10-05 20:30:53 : <fredskuentz> in that pic I posted
2013-10-05 20:31:00 : <Alex_A_> You may have spotted this one in Captain America http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horten_H.XVIII
2013-10-05 20:32:14 : <Lensman> Ah! That's it, it was "Captain America" that has the ULTIMATE flying wing. I was thinking "Sky Captain", but no.
2013-10-05 20:32:15 : <fredskuentz> hey
2013-10-05 20:32:30 : <fredskuentz> Opinions on S.H.I.E.L.D.?
2013-10-05 20:32:46 : <fredskuentz> beyond 'holy flup, they've got flying cars!"
2013-10-05 20:33:11 : <Dan> I've enjoyed the two episodes I've seen. Hope to see many more.
2013-10-05 20:33:39 : <Lensman> The TV show "S.H.I.E.L.D."? Typical teenage/young adult dumb action series. Ripoff of "Wareouse 13", perhaps? Not that I watch that show much, either.
2013-10-05 20:33:42 : <dmac44> I haven't seen the 2nd episode yet (recorded it). First okay.
2013-10-05 20:33:53 : <sean> i have seen the pilot. and have the 2nd ep which is supposed to be better.
2013-10-05 20:34:06 : <fredskuentz> I liked them both equally
2013-10-05 20:34:13 : <Lensman> I guess it was the 2nd episode I saw. Missed the pilot.
2013-10-05 20:34:16 : <fredskuentz> and I liked them a lot :)
2013-10-05 20:34:31 : <Gofffan> I enjoyed 'em.
2013-10-05 20:34:32 : <fredskuentz> I've been waiting 50 years for this, since I bought Strange Tales 135
2013-10-05 20:34:51 : <Gofffan> Just the last shot of Ep. 1 was worth it.
2013-10-05 20:35:14 : <Gofffan> Better than the end of BTTF
2013-10-05 20:35:15 : <fredskuentz> yes!
2013-10-05 20:35:18 : <fredskuentz> hee hee
2013-10-05 20:35:33 : <Lensman> Well, I'll have to see if the 1st ep is available On Demand.
2013-10-05 20:35:41 : <fredskuentz> amazingly people are accusing the end shot of S.H.I.E.L.D. of ripping off BTTF
2013-10-05 20:35:43 : <fredskuentz> sigh
2013-10-05 20:35:51 : <fredskuentz> *so* the other way around
2013-10-05 20:36:04 : <dmac44> BTTF?
2013-10-05 20:36:10 : <Gofffan> Back to the Future
2013-10-05 20:36:15 : <dmac44> thx
2013-10-05 20:36:21 : <Lensman> But no shot of the SHIELD helicarrier in the episode? How disappointing.
2013-10-05 20:36:29 : <Dan> Lens, yes, the eps are available online for free. Let me look up the link...
2013-10-05 20:36:31 : <fredskuentz> did you see AVENGERS?
2013-10-05 20:36:40 : <fredskuentz> they blew up the helicarrier good
2013-10-05 20:36:44 : <dmac44> Not bad.
2013-10-05 20:37:04 : <ronn> Available at http://abc.go.com/watch/shows
2013-10-05 20:37:07 : <Dan> http://watchabc.go.com/marvels-agents-of-shield/SH55300807
2013-10-05 20:37:08 : <NickE> ep1 good, ep not so much, but good bits IMO
2013-10-05 20:37:29 : <NickE> ep2 didnt think as good, but not bad
2013-10-05 20:37:43 : <fredskuentz> Their C5A could use some crewmembers though
2013-10-05 20:37:54 : <fredskuentz> there doesn't seem to be anyone aboard but the 6 of them
2013-10-05 20:38:07 : <fredskuentz> I'd like some flight mechanics, if not hot stews
2013-10-05 20:38:14 : <NickE> mate who runs a comic shop and has also been waiting a looong time for this preferred it teh other way round
2013-10-05 20:38:17 : <Lensman> Yes, I saw "The Avengers". Wonderful movie! Great writing, other than the stock-monster ending. That's my point; they had the CGI model of the SHIELD Helicarrier, why not include at least a stock shot in the TV show?
2013-10-05 20:38:31 : <fredskuentz> because it got blown up
2013-10-05 20:38:34 : <fredskuentz> ka-boom
2013-10-05 20:38:40 : <fredskuentz> it's pining for the fiords
2013-10-05 20:38:46 : <fredskuentz> it's an ex helicarrier
2013-10-05 20:39:10 : <fredskuentz> it wouldn't hover if you put 50,000 volts through it
2013-10-05 20:39:19 : <Gofffan> Phil Coulson got killed too...
2013-10-05 20:39:27 : <Dan> ??? It got one engine blown up, but was still flying at the end of the movie.
2013-10-05 20:39:34 : <fredskuentz> shanked by the asgardian mousellini
2013-10-05 20:39:41 : <Lensman> Blew up one engine module, that's all. They saved it from crashing, Fred.
2013-10-05 20:39:49 : <NickE> proper ex agent
2013-10-05 20:39:57 : <Lensman> Just needs a replacement engine.
2013-10-05 20:40:26 : <Lensman> Maybe Fred saw a different version of "The Avengers". :)
2013-10-05 20:40:35 : <NickE> so Tahiti is a *magical* place eh?
2013-10-05 20:40:40 : <fredskuentz> yeah
2013-10-05 20:40:51 : <Gofffan> secret there ...
2013-10-05 20:40:58 : <fredskuentz> Coulsen says the exact same thing every time anybody says the word 'Tahiti'
2013-10-05 20:41:08 : <NickE> bingo
2013-10-05 20:41:26 : <fredskuentz> Prevailing theories
2013-10-05 20:41:28 : <fredskuentz> LMD
2013-10-05 20:41:29 : <Gofffan> yep. Cyborg?
2013-10-05 20:41:30 : <fredskuentz> Dr. Strange
2013-10-05 20:41:43 : <Dan> That plot point might get a reveal near the end of the season, or in the 2nd season if it gets a 2nd season.
2013-10-05 20:41:54 : <Gofffan> Oh yeah - Dr. Strange!
2013-10-05 20:41:55 : <fredskuentz> Yeah, S.H.I.E.L.D. mythos has LMDs, Life Model Decoys
2013-10-05 20:42:06 : <fredskuentz> has since issue one and the first flying car
2013-10-05 20:42:14 : <Lensman> I had to look it up on Wikipedia to see how they'd brought Coulson back from the dead. But that wasn't really a surprise, I read a rumor they were gonna revive the character for the series.
2013-10-05 20:42:15 : <NickE> yes, my comic buddy mentioned LMDs
2013-10-05 20:42:18 : <fredskuentz> and some of them have beome self aware
2013-10-05 20:42:32 : <NickE> ah
2013-10-05 20:42:52 : <Dan> Fan betting goes strongly towards LMD, with Doctor Strange as a medic being in 2nd place.
2013-10-05 20:42:53 : <NickE> had to eb something like that
2013-10-05 20:43:02 : <fredskuentz> But leave it to Joss to supply a mystical answer when a mechanical one would do
2013-10-05 20:43:27 : <NickE> (not that Marvel savvy)
2013-10-05 20:43:33 : <NickE> me that is
S.H.I.E.L.D. enough said.
2013-10-05 20:44:06 : <NickE> ok :-)
2013-10-05 20:44:19 : <fredskuentz> The very first image in the first S.H.I.E.L.D. comic is Nick Fury getting molded for a LMD
2013-10-05 20:44:23 : <fredskuentz> :)
2013-10-05 20:44:30 : <fredskuentz> oooo, sean, it's
2013-10-05 20:44:36 : <fredskuentz> 'nuff said!
2013-10-05 20:44:44 : <Lensman> Dang! I completely forgot about the LMDs. Too long since I read "Nick Fury, Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D." At one time I had all of the SHIELD comix appearances, even the Hydra ones without SHIELD involvement.
2013-10-05 20:44:48 : <fredskuentz> Excelsior!
S.H.I.E.L.D. 'nuff said!
2013-10-05 20:45:03 : <Dan> Fan theory also suggests that *if* Coulson is an LMD, it might become aware that its an LMD and turn into Ultron in time for the next Avengers movie.
2013-10-05 20:45:05 : <fredskuentz> yay!
2013-10-05 20:45:10 : <fredskuentz> Yeah
2013-10-05 20:45:14 : <fredskuentz> or the Vision
2013-10-05 20:45:27 : <sean> oh, anybody can change topic. made that change a month or so ago.
2013-10-05 20:45:41 : <fredskuentz> You mentioned that
2013-10-05 20:45:43 : <fredskuentz> but how?
2013-10-05 20:46:04 : <fredskuentz> got it
2013-10-05 20:46:11 : <sean> depends on the client. in xchat I just go up to the topic line at the top of my window and change it.
2013-10-05 20:46:13 : <Dan> Double-click on the main window.
S.H.I.E.L.D. 'nuff said! - like this?
S.H.I.E.L.D. 'nuff said!
S.H.I.E.L.D. 'nuff said! - yes
2013-10-05 20:46:42 : <Dan> Pop-up box lets you change stuff, in mIRC anyway.
2013-10-05 20:46:46 : <fredskuentz> It's a menu command in my client
2013-10-05 20:46:51 : <Lensman> Sean gets a no-prize for that topic!
2013-10-05 20:47:35 : <fredskuentz> http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/fury1-1.jpg
2013-10-05 20:48:00 : <Dan> My question: WTF are we being hinted at about Lola? More than just a pretty, flying Corvette?
2013-10-05 20:48:07 : <dmac44> I remember that
2013-10-05 20:48:12 : <fredskuentz> I don't think so
2013-10-05 20:48:33 : <fredskuentz> but somebody said that Coulsen did something funky opening her, that I missed totally
2013-10-05 20:48:43 : <fredskuentz> that implied robotic hijinx on his part
2013-10-05 20:49:21 : <fredskuentz> Steranko is giving interviews claiming he's responsible for the flying cars
2013-10-05 20:49:24 : <fredskuentz> I hate that guy
2013-10-05 20:49:24 : <fredskuentz> :)
2013-10-05 20:49:52 : <Jim> What is a Life Model Decoy? Is it like a robot?
2013-10-05 20:50:03 : <Dan> We shall see as the series progresses. I'm wondering which lovable character Joss is going to kill off, myself.
2013-10-05 20:50:15 : <Dan> Jim, exactly.
2013-10-05 20:50:30 : <Lensman> Steranko. I once sent him $18 as pre-payment for what he advertized as a 3-volume history of comix. Never pubbed, never returned my payment. Bastard.
2013-10-05 20:50:47 : <fredskuentz> Initially they were very literal decoys
2013-10-05 20:50:50 : <Dan> One programmed to impersonate a living person as perfectly as possible.
2013-10-05 20:50:59 : <fredskuentz> wind 'em up and let 'em walk into the line of fire
2013-10-05 20:51:02 : <Lensman> Jim: Android. Artificial living being.
2013-10-05 20:51:08 : <fredskuentz> later models were more sophiticated
2013-10-05 20:51:22 : <fredskuentz> Lens, I don't think Android
2013-10-05 20:51:31 : <fredskuentz> no biologics, at least initially
2013-10-05 20:51:40 : <Gofffan> The one think the series lacks is, of course, Nick Fury.
2013-10-05 20:51:47 : <fredskuentz> yeah
2013-10-05 20:51:51 : <Lensman> Okay, I will take Fred's word on this.
2013-10-05 20:52:08 : <fredskuentz> Very possible they became androids later on
2013-10-05 20:52:16 : <Lensman> Entirely robotic, then?
2013-10-05 20:52:19 : <Dan> As far as I recall, they are robots, rather than androids.
2013-10-05 20:52:25 : <fredskuentz> but the mark 1's were more Mr. Lincoln from Disneyland
2013-10-05 20:52:34 : <Jim> Why would they let Nick Fury smoke a cigar when getting his LMD fitted?
2013-10-05 20:52:38 : <Lensman> Clearly I'm remembering wrong, sorry.
2013-10-05 20:53:00 : <fredskuentz> you may well be remembering later models
2013-10-05 20:53:01 : <Gofffan> Jim, YOU take it away from him!
2013-10-05 20:53:09 : <fredskuentz> now the Vision, he's an android
2013-10-05 20:53:11 : <Dan> Because Nick wouldn't be Nick without the cigar. Enemies would notice such an obmission.
2013-10-05 20:53:16 : <fredskuentz> as is the human torch
2013-10-05 20:53:16 : <Lensman> Jim, are YOU gonna tell Mr. Fury that he CAN'T smoke a cigar while being fitted for an LMD? ;-)
2013-10-05 20:53:41 : <fredskuentz> I think the cigar absolutely makes that shot
2013-10-05 20:53:41 : <fredskuentz> sells the character, the series, everything
2013-10-05 20:53:58 : <Dan> Eve when the Hoff played Nick, the cigar was there.
2013-10-05 20:54:09 : <fredskuentz> but no gray temples on the hoff!
2013-10-05 20:54:19 : <fredskuentz> supposedly they tried it but it looked silly
2013-10-05 20:54:33 : <Dan> Oh good, I'm not the only one who saw that movie, LOL!
2013-10-05 20:54:44 : <fredskuentz> hee hee
2013-10-05 20:54:51 : <fredskuentz> okay, our first look at LMDs
2013-10-05 20:54:54 : <fredskuentz> http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_8IZaEvh5puk/TOGPV6U3G_I/AAAAAAAAAP0/NKnU8uK6wp8/s1600/Picture%2B12.png
2013-10-05 20:55:13 : <fredskuentz> oddly, they ... don't have cigars
2013-10-05 20:55:18 : <Lensman> Are y'all talking about that really awful Nick Fury movie from a few years back?
2013-10-05 20:55:25 : <fredskuentz> yes
2013-10-05 20:55:31 : <Lensman> Was that a TV movie or a theatrical?
2013-10-05 20:55:31 : <Dan> How many of us have seen the Roger Corman FF movie?
2013-10-05 20:55:35 : <Dan> TV
2013-10-05 20:55:37 : <fredskuentz> me
2013-10-05 20:55:50 : <Gofffan> seen pics from it
2013-10-05 20:55:53 : <Lensman> I mercifully have managed to wipe most of that from my mind. Didn't even remember they had LMDs in it.
2013-10-05 20:56:25 : <fredskuentz> I think the corman thing is damn near as good as the tim story FF films
2013-10-05 20:56:40 : <fredskuentz> and the new FF films, they want to make Johnny black, which requires making Sue black
2013-10-05 20:56:44 : <fredskuentz> sigh
2013-10-05 20:56:50 : <Dan> Except for the special effects, it might have been a shade better.
2013-10-05 20:57:11 : <Lensman> Dan: I watched at least part of the too-awful-to-be-released FF movie. Was that a Corman production? Even by his standards, it was awful.
2013-10-05 20:57:47 : <fredskuentz> Lens, you know why that movie was made?
2013-10-05 20:57:52 : <Dan> Yeah, Lens. That was a Corman. Filmed to be stored in a vault forever. But it eventually escaped.
2013-10-05 20:57:55 : <Dan> :)
2013-10-05 20:58:47 : <fredskuentz> They had a 'must be in production by X date' clause, and Chris Columbus hadn't gotten around to it yet. So they made that film to satisfy the contract and keep their option.
2013-10-05 20:59:07 : <Dan> Corman's movies are highly variable. Sometimes bordering on genius, but usually bordering on crap. Good MST3k fodder, in any case.
2013-10-05 20:59:12 : <Gofffan> cringe.I agree they should reboot FF, but let's keep it close to the book.
2013-10-05 20:59:20 : <fredskuentz> And a bunch of FX guys worked on it for free or damn close, to have stuff to show on their reels
2013-10-05 20:59:36 : <fredskuentz> and screamed bloody murder when it was announced it would never be released
2013-10-05 20:59:49 : <fredskuentz> so they got copies of the movie, and the genie was out
2013-10-05 21:00:00 : <fredskuentz> Gofffan, yeah
2013-10-05 21:00:18 : "Lensman" left the channel.
2013-10-05 21:00:22 : <Jim> That must a led to Syfy getting a copy.
2013-10-05 21:00:23 : <ronn> fsk: "and the new FF films, they want to make Johnny black"
2013-10-05 21:00:24 : <ronn> As in burned out? :P
2013-10-05 21:00:29 : <fredskuentz> hee hee
2013-10-05 21:00:53 : <Gofffan> or changing his last name?
2013-10-05 21:00:55 : <Dan> Ahem... I *hear* that it is available in something called a Torrent of a double-dozen Marvel movies. But don't quote me on that.
2013-10-05 21:01:12 : <sean> whats a torrent?
2013-10-05 21:01:13 : <fredskuentz> It's available legal now
2013-10-05 21:01:30 : <fredskuentz> got an official release a few years ago
2013-10-05 21:01:42 : "Lensman" joined the channel.
2013-10-05 21:01:42 : <Dan> Sean, I haven't the faintest idea. It's a word I've read online.
2013-10-05 21:02:02 : <Lensman> Dang power outage! One of these days I'll get a UPS...
2013-10-05 21:02:19 : <Dan> Lens, you'll be pleased when you do!
2013-10-05 21:02:20 : <NickE> <fnarf>
2013-10-05 21:02:27 : <fredskuentz> http://www.amazon.com/Nick-Fury-S-H-I-E-L-D-David-Hasselhoff/dp/B001GZJTIW
2013-10-05 21:02:34 : <fredskuentz> ooookay
2013-10-05 21:02:41 : <fredskuentz> and they wonder why people boot?
2013-10-05 21:02:50 : <sean> I have a UPS taking care of all the network stuff and the irc server. need to put a new battery in it tho. was good for 4 hours but now down to about 1.5
2013-10-05 21:03:05 : <ronn> Is Lens having a torrent [old definition]?
2013-10-05 21:03:27 : <fredskuentz> If I'd been able to keep mom's house, I'd have put a whole house generator on it
2013-10-05 21:03:32 : <Lensman> I enjoyed the newer FF movies quite a bit. Really dropped the ball on Dr. Doom, he doesn't have that PRESENCE that Lucas captured so successfully for Darth Vader. But other than that... I really liked all the touches lifted directly from the comix. Such as Johnny's "4" flare distress signal.
2013-10-05 21:03:42 : <ronn> sean: me 2. no $ tho
2013-10-05 21:03:49 : <Dan> My local power company has brownouts several times a day. Cost me a wireless router and some other hardware. I bought a UPS and it's saved my gear several times a year since then. Well worth the money, but buy the biggest one you can find!
2013-10-05 21:03:58 : <fredskuentz> yeah
2013-10-05 21:04:03 : <fredskuentz> we get a lot of blinks
2013-10-05 21:04:17 : <fredskuentz> there's an ad now for a koelher whole house gen, on TV
2013-10-05 21:04:20 : <sean> new battery for me is about 120 bucks. tis a BIG UPS
2013-10-05 21:04:23 : <fredskuentz> happy people dancing
2013-10-05 21:04:27 : <fredskuentz> power goes out
2013-10-05 21:04:32 : <Lensman> Didn't bother me that Sue was cast as someone with dusky skin. It's her personality and powers that are important, not her being a fair-skinned blonde.
2013-10-05 21:04:36 : <fredskuentz> gen kicks back in
2013-10-05 21:04:50 : <fredskuentz> people resume dancing
2013-10-05 21:05:07 : <fredskuentz> and I'm like, who the hell buys a whole house gen that's interruptible??
2013-10-05 21:05:14 : <sean> i would not
2013-10-05 21:06:11 : <sean> but to save money I would only have UPS on stuff that needs to stay up. network, tv, sat. that kind of stuff. the fridge and AC do not need to be powered for that 5 seconds
2013-10-05 21:06:12 : <Lensman> Dunno anything about "torrent". I live in a neighborhood with an unreliable power service. Power goes out momentarily probably at least twice a week, and for a few minutes several times a year. Last year once for 4 hours!
2013-10-05 21:06:17 : <fredskuentz> I have one on the cable modem & router. power goes out, I'm still online. :)
2013-10-05 21:06:20 : <Dan> 17 to 3, GA vs TN.
2013-10-05 21:06:34 : <Dan> End of the 1st half.
2013-10-05 21:06:40 : <sean> watching that game dan
2013-10-05 21:06:59 : <Dan> The only college game I care about every year.
2013-10-05 21:07:11 : <sean> now that the storm has moved on. for a couple of hours I was watching complete signal loss and partial signal loss.
2013-10-05 21:07:12 : <Dan> I root for both sides, actually.
2013-10-05 21:07:17 : <Lensman> What irks me is that they built a new substation only about a mile or so away from our subdivision, but have not hooked us into those lines. Just the newer housing going up all around us is getting hooked to the new substation. Grrrr...
2013-10-05 21:07:44 : <fredskuentz> Sigh. Wiki, life model decoys. Paragraph 1 says they're robots. Paragraph 2 says they're androids.
2013-10-05 21:08:18 : <Dan> Ultron is a Wiki editor, obviously. LOL!
2013-10-05 21:08:21 : <fredskuentz> and says it 6 times in quick succession
2013-10-05 21:08:23 : <fredskuentz> yes
2013-10-05 21:08:35 : <ronn> used to be (70s) we'd have power outages at least maybe once a month. Often beginning with a loud "*BOOM!!*" from the transformer on top of the pole in the corner of my back yard. Dunno if they replaced that or what, but since I moved back from Utah outages are much rarer . . .
2013-10-05 21:08:38 : <fredskuentz> I suspect some editor decided to infuse the article with android refs
2013-10-05 21:08:49 : <fredskuentz> ha, ronn, yeah, we've had that
2013-10-05 21:08:51 : <fredskuentz> BOOM
2013-10-05 21:08:53 : <fredskuentz> zzzzt
2013-10-05 21:09:21 : <Lensman> Well, Looks like no Larry today. :(
2013-10-05 21:09:31 : <fredskuentz> okay, here's what I was looking for
2013-10-05 21:09:34 : <fredskuentz> "The Life Model Decoys appeared in the Nick Fury: Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D. film."
2013-10-05 21:10:04 : <ronn> Lens: Sometimes power outages associated with thunderstorms.
2013-10-05 21:10:14 : <Gofffan> We've come full circle - WMD's to LMD's!
2013-10-05 21:11:02 : <ronn> Every time it'd *BOOM!* you'd think it must have completely blown up.
2013-10-05 21:11:03 : <Lensman> ronn: I can understand that a thunderstorm can knock out a transformer, or a lightning strike can take out a substation. Doesn't excuse the frequency of power outages here. It rained last night, but it's clear now.
2013-10-05 21:11:37 : <Lensman> LOL! WMD --> LMD
2013-10-05 21:12:30 : <Alex_A_> I'm back :)
2013-10-05 21:12:35 : <fredskuentz> wb
2013-10-05 21:13:00 : <fredskuentz> at moms, the interweb dropped instantly if it rained
2013-10-05 21:13:04 : <fredskuentz> I mean *instantly*
2013-10-05 21:13:21 : <Alex_A_> I've noticed "it's a magical place" in MAOS too
2013-10-05 21:13:25 : <fredskuentz> also if it got too hot
2013-10-05 21:13:28 : <fredskuentz> or too cold
2013-10-05 21:14:00 : <Alex_A_> I wondered if it was a hint that magic bought him back
2013-10-05 21:14:13 : <fredskuentz> some think so
2013-10-05 21:14:21 : <Alex_A_> but LMD seems plausible too
2013-10-05 21:14:31 : <Dan> That's one of the fan speculations, Alex.
2013-10-05 21:14:55 : <fredskuentz> although, really, in the marvel universe, a shank to the heart shouldn't be fatal if you're anywhere near medical help
2013-10-05 21:15:09 : <Lensman> "MAOS" ?
2013-10-05 21:15:10 : <ronn> Last time it went *BOOM!!* and the power went out (not as often these days, but not non-existent) a guy from the power company used a l-o-n-g fiberglass pole (several inches thick at the bottom and tapering to the top) to reset what must be a large breaker switch on the transformer without climbing the pole
2013-10-05 21:15:16 : <fredskuentz> the same way it was silly for Batgirl to be in a wheelchair all those years
2013-10-05 21:15:18 : <fredskuentz> MAOS
2013-10-05 21:15:19 : <fredskuentz> MARVELS
2013-10-05 21:15:21 : <fredskuentz> AGENTS
2013-10-05 21:15:23 : <fredskuentz> OF
2013-10-05 21:15:27 : <fredskuentz> S.H.I.E.L.D.
2013-10-05 21:15:30 : <Lensman> Thanks.
2013-10-05 21:15:31 : <fredskuentz> MAOS
2013-10-05 21:15:32 : <fredskuentz> :D
2013-10-05 21:15:54 : <Alex_A_> I hate typing all those periods
2013-10-05 21:16:13 : <fredskuentz> hee hee
2013-10-05 21:16:18 : <Gofffan> Should be an app for that.
2013-10-05 21:16:19 : <Lensman> Yeah, I noticed the "It's a magical place" from Coulson in the 2nd episode. Didn't realize they hadn't done a Reveal of how he was revived.
2013-10-05 21:16:23 : <fredskuentz> I hate the new acronym
2013-10-05 21:16:42 : <fredskuentz> nope, it's the mystery of the piece Lens
2013-10-05 21:16:51 : <Gofffan> Right - no Espionage...
2013-10-05 21:16:55 : <fredskuentz> all we know is that "he must never know"
2013-10-05 21:16:57 : <ronn> The new guy in Ep. 1 had it right.
2013-10-05 21:17:09 : <fredskuentz> ronn, lol, yes
2013-10-05 21:17:10 : <Alex_A_> I'd you follow The Guardian style guide it would be "Shield" :)
2013-10-05 21:17:11 : <Lensman> LOL! Yeah, we need a S.H.I.E.L.D. app.
2013-10-05 21:17:27 : <Alex_A_> if not I'd
2013-10-05 21:18:06 : <Lensman> Well, they could at least do SHIELD. I don't think it's been worn down to lower case, as for example LASER.
2013-10-05 21:18:16 : "Alex_A_" left the channel.
2013-10-05 21:18:26 : <Gofffan> Lensman - it would also help me with U.N.C.L.E.
2013-10-05 21:18:31 : <Lensman> Alex is a LMD??
2013-10-05 21:18:37 : <Lensman> o-8
2013-10-05 21:18:38 : <fredskuentz> hey, if it's U.N.C.L.E. then it's S.H.I.E.L.D.
2013-10-05 21:18:49 : <fredskuentz> lol or what Gofffan said
2013-10-05 21:18:50 : <ronn> Lens: beat me.
2013-10-05 21:18:51 : <Lensman> 8-O
2013-10-05 21:19:10 : <Jim> :-)
2013-10-05 21:19:34 : <fredskuentz> There's also S.W.O.R.D. which I suppose was inevitable
2013-10-05 21:19:37 : <Lensman> S.H.I.E.L.D. is certainly classier.
2013-10-05 21:19:45 : <fredskuentz> but nonetheless annoying
2013-10-05 21:20:15 : <ronn> "Association for Unbelievably Nauseating Television and Idiotic Entertainment" . . .
2013-10-05 21:20:53 : <fredskuentz> hah
2013-10-05 21:20:56 : <Gofffan> S.P.E.C.T.R.E which is obviously based on Fleming being English. We'd have S.P.E.C.T.E.R.
2013-10-05 21:20:58 : <Lensman> I think there WAS a "The Avengers" episode, "The Girl from A.U.N.T.I.E."
2013-10-05 21:21:09 : "Alex_A" joined the channel.
2013-10-05 21:21:18 : <fredskuentz> and a mad magazine parody
2013-10-05 21:21:27 : <Lensman> Pretty sure Fleming spelled it SPECTRE, no periods.
2013-10-05 21:21:28 : <dmac44> I'm heading out. Next month guys.
2013-10-05 21:21:42 : <Alex_A> .g guardian style guide
2013-10-05 21:21:43 : <Outsider> Alex_A: http://www.theguardian.com/styleguide
2013-10-05 21:21:44 : <Dan> Bye, dmac!
2013-10-05 21:21:49 : <Gofffan> Actually, you are correct. SP stands for Special
2013-10-05 21:21:52 : "dmac44" left the channel.
2013-10-05 21:22:14 : <Gofffan> oops. ANd Bye DMac
2013-10-05 21:22:19 : <fredskuentz> http://www.dissolute.com.au/the-avengers-tv-series/series-4/images/auntie1b.jpg
2013-10-05 21:22:20 : <Lensman> Now, the REAL trivia question: Name the original meaning of S.H.I.E.L.D., and the movie version.
2013-10-05 21:22:26 : <Lensman> I confess, I can't.
2013-10-05 21:22:34 : <fredskuentz> note the distinct lack of periods
2013-10-05 21:22:56 : <fredskuentz> Lens, the original is right there in the LMD pick I posted earlier
2013-10-05 21:23:05 : <fredskuentz> and there are multiple movie versions
2013-10-05 21:23:10 : <Lensman> Yeah, but I'm trying to do it from memory.
2013-10-05 21:23:32 : <fredskuentz> I can do the original. The movie ones fuzz together.
2013-10-05 21:23:40 : <Lensman> Supreme Headquarters International Espionage, Law... Division?
2013-10-05 21:23:55 : <fredskuentz> Law-Enforcement
2013-10-05 21:23:55 : <Gofffan> Enforcement
2013-10-05 21:24:06 : <fredskuentz> well done
2013-10-05 21:24:06 : <Lensman> I didn't realize there were multiple movie versions.
2013-10-05 21:24:21 : <fredskuentz> yeah, I think they keep changing it in Iron Man?
2013-10-05 21:24:29 : <fredskuentz> running gag
2013-10-05 21:24:38 : <Alex_A> "
2013-10-05 21:24:38 : <Alex_A> Use all capitals if an abbreviation is pronounced as the individual letters (an initialism): BBC, CEO, US, VAT, etc; if it is an acronym (pronounced as a word) spell out with initial capital, eg Nasa, Nato, Unicef, unless it can be considered to have entered the language as an everyday word, such as awol, laser and, more recently, asbo, pin number and sim card. Note that pdf and plc are lowercase "
2013-10-05 21:25:31 : <Dan> What's the progress of the WWII Captain America love-interest SHIELD agent series? Last I heard it was "probably" going to be gree-lighted.
2013-10-05 21:26:05 : <fredskuentz> Dan, last I heard was, the actress said she was willing to do it
2013-10-05 21:26:05 : <Gofffan> Hard to keep making TV series without the leading characters.
2013-10-05 21:26:07 : <Dan> green-lighted, rather.
2013-10-05 21:27:06 : <fredskuentz> I can't imagine a female lead period piece set at the end of WW2 is gonna be a big seller
2013-10-05 21:27:13 : <sean> Hippy has given up and we both think his provider's network is being really crappy today. he sends best regards to everyone.
2013-10-05 21:27:22 : <fredskuentz> HI HIPPY
2013-10-05 21:27:30 : <Gofffan> Hippy!!
2013-10-05 21:27:43 : <Lensman> Yeah. I like Coulson, the character and the actor, but it would be nice to have Nick Fury as the occasionally appearing commander of S.H.I.E.L.D.
2013-10-05 21:28:07 : <Lensman> HELLO HIPPY!
2013-10-05 21:28:11 : <ronn> Wikipedia sez:
2013-10-05 21:28:13 : <fredskuentz> I thought you saw ep 2, Lens?
2013-10-05 21:28:13 : <ronn> (spoiler space, I hope)
2013-10-05 21:28:14 : <ronn> "The acronym originally stood for Supreme Headquarters, International Espionage, Law-Enforcement Division. It was changed in 1991 to Strategic Hazard Intervention Espionage Logistics Directorate. ¶ Within the various films set in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, as well as multiple animated and live-action television series, the acronym stands for Strategic Homeland Intervention, Enforcement...
2013-10-05 21:28:16 : <ronn> ...and Logistics Division."
2013-10-05 21:28:27 : <fredskuentz> lol, ron, I had that one my clipboard
2013-10-05 21:28:33 : <fredskuentz> ronn
2013-10-05 21:28:42 : <Lensman> I saw most of ep 2, missed the beginning. Why, was there a cameo by Nick Fury?
2013-10-05 21:28:55 : <fredskuentz> you missed the end too
2013-10-05 21:29:06 : <sean> [5:27:42 PM] SeanS: every body is saying bye hippy
2013-10-05 21:29:06 : <sean> [5:28:03 PM] Hippy: Aww. Warms the cockles of my heart :)
2013-10-05 21:29:23 : <fredskuentz> He was reading Coulsen the riot act for trashing the plane
2013-10-05 21:29:34 : <Dan> As an aside, I once embarrassed a lot of management people at the factory by pointing out that their two dozen warning signs stating "Warning: LAZER In Use" had a typo. Of course, most official management signs and memos could really use an editor & several spellchecks.
2013-10-05 21:29:37 : <Alex_A> was pretty funny
2013-10-05 21:29:52 : "xihr" left the channel.
2013-10-05 21:29:53 : <Lensman> No, I saw Coulson getting chewed out. Was that Fury? I don't recall seeing an eye patch.
2013-10-05 21:29:55 : <fredskuentz> AND NO FISH TANKS
2013-10-05 21:30:04 : <fredskuentz> yes, that was Sam Jackson
2013-10-05 21:30:10 : <Alex_A> he mostly seemed pissed at the bar being trashed
2013-10-05 21:30:10 : <fredskuentz> in full Fury regalia
2013-10-05 21:30:15 : <Lensman> Did he have an eye patch?
2013-10-05 21:30:22 : <fredskuentz> yep
2013-10-05 21:30:26 : <fredskuentz> and associated scars
2013-10-05 21:30:26 : "xihr" joined the channel.
2013-10-05 21:30:28 : <Lensman> If so, then my memory is worse than I realize. :(
2013-10-05 21:30:29 : <sean> i have the 2nd ep but have not watched it... spoilers sweetie
2013-10-05 21:30:37 : <fredskuentz> ack
2013-10-05 21:30:39 : <fredskuentz> sorry sean
2013-10-05 21:30:47 : <sean> no worries
2013-10-05 21:30:47 : <Lensman> Oops! Sorry.
2013-10-05 21:31:28 : <fredskuentz> okay, sean, do NOT look at this
2013-10-05 21:31:34 : <fredskuentz> Lensman, pay close attention
2013-10-05 21:31:36 : <sean> i will minimize
2013-10-05 21:31:37 : <fredskuentz> here we go
2013-10-05 21:31:38 : <fredskuentz> http://comicbook.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/nick-fury-agents-of-shield-cameo-300x225.jpg
2013-10-05 21:31:44 : <Alex_A> we get it Fridays in UK so saw ep 2 last night
2013-10-05 21:31:49 : <Lensman> I overheard someone casually mention a rather significant plot point about 2nd season "Homeland" just the other day. I am just no-- literally, today-- getting caught up with that via Netflix. Grrr...
2013-10-05 21:32:16 : <ronn> Related organizations[edit]
2013-10-05 21:32:17 : <ronn> A.R.M.O.R. (Altered-Reality Monitoring and Operational Response)
2013-10-05 21:32:19 : <ronn> S.T.R.I.K.E. (Special Tactical Response for International Key Emergencies)
2013-10-05 21:32:20 : <ronn> S.W.O.R.D. (Sentient World Observation and Response Department)
2013-10-05 21:32:36 : <fredskuentz> or for those of you with 16:9
2013-10-05 21:32:37 : <fredskuentz> http://media.bestlittlesites.com/images/uploads/furynew.jpg
2013-10-05 21:32:50 : <Lensman> Well, as I said... my memory is even worse than I realized. Samual Jackson himself, and I completely forgot his appearance!
2013-10-05 21:32:59 : <Dan> I've started re-watching the old ReBoot cartoons since I saw this week that there is a possibility of the series starting up again.
2013-10-05 21:33:05 : <fredskuentz> I loved HOMELAND for like the first 3 episodes until they changed showrunners
2013-10-05 21:33:19 : <fredskuentz> I love REBOOT!
2013-10-05 21:33:33 : <fredskuentz> showed a friend the software pirates up last week
2013-10-05 21:33:37 : <Gofffan> REBOOT was great!
2013-10-05 21:33:48 : <fredskuentz> btw
2013-10-05 21:33:58 : <fredskuentz> the RINGWORLD appears in REBOOT!
2013-10-05 21:33:58 : <Alex_A> I suspect SHIELD was inspired by SHAPE
2013-10-05 21:34:03 : <Lensman> Contrariwise, HYDRA is not an acronym.
2013-10-05 21:34:10 : <fredskuentz> neither is THRUSH
2013-10-05 21:34:14 : <Dan> Fred: http://www.watchcartoononline.com/reboot-episode-1-the-tearing
2013-10-05 21:34:22 : <fredskuentz> despite endless people getting it wrong
2013-10-05 21:34:26 : <Gofffan> Z.O.W.I.E. (Zonal Organization for World Intelligence and Espionage)
2013-10-05 21:34:31 : <Alex_A> Supreme Headquarters Allied Powers Europe
2013-10-05 21:34:52 : <Lensman> LOL! Z.O.W.I.E. is my favorite parody acronym of that genre.
2013-10-05 21:34:58 : <sean> ok, back from minimize. am i good?
2013-10-05 21:35:02 : <fredskuentz> yes
2013-10-05 21:35:10 : <sean> cool
2013-10-05 21:35:20 : <fredskuentz> it was just images of what we'd already blabbed to you
2013-10-05 21:35:26 : <ronn> fsk: it grows on u like a fungus . . .
2013-10-05 21:35:36 : <Lensman> Tell me about REBOOT, please? Is that a TV show?
2013-10-05 21:35:38 : <sean> i was dealing more with hippy than watching channel
2013-10-05 21:35:42 : <fredskuentz> oh dear
2013-10-05 21:35:57 : <fredskuentz> REBOOT! was a CGI kid's show
2013-10-05 21:36:02 : <fredskuentz> with wonderful writing
2013-10-05 21:36:16 : <fredskuentz> probably the finest entertainment to every come out of Canada
2013-10-05 21:36:18 : <NickE> yes
2013-10-05 21:36:28 : <NickE> and apparently a sequel is planned
2013-10-05 21:36:31 : <sean> so like the sarah jane adventures
2013-10-05 21:36:55 : <NickE> Reboot was fuckin awesome
2013-10-05 21:37:01 : <Gofffan> Great parodies in it too.
2013-10-05 21:37:07 : <fredskuentz> I never did finish watching Sarah Jane
2013-10-05 21:37:09 : <Gofffan> Mulder and Scully!
2013-10-05 21:37:15 : <NickE> yep, very clever references
2013-10-05 21:37:15 : <fredskuentz> was too depressing once she died
2013-10-05 21:37:24 : <Lensman> Now, is (was) SHAPE a real-world organization?
2013-10-05 21:37:33 : <sean> i understand that fred but I had to finish the last of them
2013-10-05 21:37:34 : <Dan> Lens, a very good, early CGI cartoon. Excelent scripts. Offered parodies of everything from Bond movies to X-Files, to multiple Start Trek references... Tony Jay as the voice of the main villain, as well.
2013-10-05 21:37:39 : <fredskuentz> oh, I gave my friend the REBOOT! Talent Show ep too
2013-10-05 21:38:01 : <Gofffan> The finale was awsome.
2013-10-05 21:38:04 : <Alex_A> .g NATO SHAPE
2013-10-05 21:38:05 : <Outsider> Alex_A: http://www.shape.nato.int/
2013-10-05 21:39:05 : <Alex_A> that url was broken for me, try http://www.shape.nato.int/shape.aspx
2013-10-05 21:39:11 : <Gofffan> awesome. and why would I use a word like that anyway? It was brilliant.
2013-10-05 21:39:18 : <Dan> ReBoot was an amazing cartoon. I totally loved it.
2013-10-05 21:39:22 : <NickE> Can't recomennd Reboot highly enough
2013-10-05 21:39:32 : <NickE> it was BTAS level good
2013-10-05 21:39:34 : <sean> how about tripping the rift?
2013-10-05 21:39:38 : <Alex_A> still in use (since WW 2)
2013-10-05 21:39:53 : <Lensman> I see two "Reboot" titles at Netflix, both apparently packaged as movies. Are those multiple episodes strung together, or sequels to the TV show, or a remake, or what?
2013-10-05 21:40:00 : <Lensman> Both from 2001.
2013-10-05 21:40:04 : <fredskuentz> could be either
2013-10-05 21:40:08 : <Dan> Follow that link I posted and you can whatch every episode. Most of the early ones are a bit low-rez, but still watchable.
2013-10-05 21:40:13 : <fredskuentz> streaming or dvd?
2013-10-05 21:40:32 : <Dan> My link? Streaming.
2013-10-05 21:40:39 : <fredskuentz> netflix
2013-10-05 21:40:52 : <Lensman> DVD. There's no sound on my 'puter, and won't be until it's fixed. So no watching online for Lensman. :(
2013-10-05 21:41:01 : <fredskuentz> I'm checking now
2013-10-05 21:41:08 : <fredskuentz> my wonderful new TV has netflix built in
2013-10-05 21:41:09 : <fredskuentz> :D
2013-10-05 21:41:17 : <Gofffan> Guys, I must go but it was great. Best to Mr. Niven if he drops by.
2013-10-05 21:41:31 : <Jim> bye
2013-10-05 21:41:32 : <NickE> Season 1 and 2 were linked to ABC and somewhat limited with what they could get away with (though some of teh gags were very invenive in getting around that)
2013-10-05 21:41:37 : <Dan> Bye, Goffan!
2013-10-05 21:41:38 : "Gofffan" left the channel.
2013-10-05 21:41:49 : <Lensman> "Reboot: My Two Bobs" and "Reboot: Daemon Rising"
2013-10-05 21:41:57 : <NickE> S3 and the gloves came off with more adult refs (but still kid safe)
2013-10-05 21:42:13 : <NickE> These are teh S4 episoeds
2013-10-05 21:42:47 : <Lensman> Our newer Blu-Ray player has Netflix built in, but we only pay for DVD rental. When Netflix was offering both, I found virtually nothing on streaming I thought was worth paying for.
2013-10-05 21:42:48 : <fredskuentz> I'm guessing that's compilation
2013-10-05 21:42:54 : <fredskuentz> not available streaming
2013-10-05 21:43:12 : <NickE> Which for a long time were the only DVD available ones. I think teh full set should be available now (I have a pirate version thats watchable)
2013-10-05 21:43:19 : <Alex_A> I have "Lovefilm instant" which is Amazon's streaming video and rental service in UK
2013-10-05 21:43:26 : <fredskuentz> oh
2013-10-05 21:43:27 : <fredskuentz> nope
2013-10-05 21:43:28 : <fredskuentz> I'm wrong
2013-10-05 21:43:42 : <fredskuentz> those are the two movies they made after the series
2013-10-05 21:43:45 : <Dan> Watch Cartoons Online is streaming, and free.
2013-10-05 21:43:46 : <NickE> There were many issues with DVD lifcencing etc
2013-10-05 21:43:51 : <fredskuentz> Daomon is first
2013-10-05 21:43:55 : <fredskuentz> bobs is the sequel
2013-10-05 21:43:59 : <NickE> yes
2013-10-05 21:44:07 : <Lensman> Well, if the full series is out on DVD, hopefully they will show up on Netflix soon.
2013-10-05 21:44:30 : <fredskuentz> http://www.amazon.com/ReBoot-The-Definitive-Mainframe-Edition/dp/B004Q7BF5M
2013-10-05 21:44:31 : <Alex_A> Lovefilm is mostly older stuff but enough to keep me interested
2013-10-05 21:44:57 : <NickE> last half of S2 to end of S3 is probably the best of an identifiable stry arc
2013-10-05 21:45:09 : <NickE> but its all good
2013-10-05 21:45:32 : <Jim> I have got to go; I will see you all next month.
2013-10-05 21:45:33 : <Lensman> Well, I'll see if Watch Cartoons Online is available thru my Blu-Ray player, but I think that it doesn't translate streaming video. It will do YouTube, tho... I don't understand the difference. Different codex, maybe?
2013-10-05 21:45:35 : <Jim> bye\\
2013-10-05 21:45:43 : "Jim" left the channel.
2013-10-05 21:45:55 : <NickE> Daemon and My 2 Bobs work well enough, but it helops if youve seen teh earlier stuff too
2013-10-05 21:46:27 : <Lensman> Obviously best to start at the beginning.
2013-10-05 21:46:33 : <fredskuentz> okay, reboot is available on Amazon Instant Streaming
2013-10-05 21:46:41 : <Dan> Oh! Personal stuff: I've seen the proof copy of the cover art for my 3rd album. It is awesome. I'm working with the artist to get all the text and such placed correctly for the CDs.
2013-10-05 21:46:44 : <fredskuentz> but it's $2 an ep
2013-10-05 21:46:50 : <fredskuentz> that's a lot for a 20 minute kid's show
2013-10-05 21:46:58 : <NickE> ouch!
2013-10-05 21:47:49 : <Dan> Sean, the 3rd album is the one based on Stephanie Osborn's "Displaced Detective" series of books.
2013-10-05 21:48:13 : <Lensman> The one time I paid for an Amazon download, the service really sucked. I would be very reluctant to give them any more of my business. Mind you, I order books and other stuff from Amazon all the time, it's just their paid downloads that apparently suck.
2013-10-05 21:48:34 : <fredskuentz> the best way to describe Reboot! would be to say that it's alphanumeric
2013-10-05 21:48:47 : <Dan> LOL! Fred!
2013-10-05 21:48:50 : <NickE> Pixilacious even
2013-10-05 21:48:59 : <fredskuentz> I've never paid for an Amazon DL; I just get the free stuff that comes with PRIME
2013-10-05 21:49:02 : <sean> I have been keeping up with your albums on google plus dan
2013-10-05 21:49:04 : <Lensman> Alphanumeric? Well, so's my keyboard.
2013-10-05 21:49:10 : <fredskuentz> and, yes, they're pretty variable
2013-10-05 21:49:40 : <Lensman> No doubt that's terribly clever, if only I got the in-jokes.
2013-10-05 21:49:49 : <Dan> I don't post on G+ often enough. I've got to stop being so Facebook-centric!
2013-10-05 21:50:15 : <sean> max the lab doesn't get on facebook that often
2013-10-05 21:50:38 : <Lensman> Dan: Sorry, I didn't recall you do music. What style? Do you have a website for that?
2013-10-05 21:50:44 : <Dan> I'm aware, and I do have loads of people on G+ that have circled me.
2013-10-05 21:50:58 : <fredskuentz> google hosed my g account
2013-10-05 21:51:04 : <fredskuentz> and my youtube
2013-10-05 21:51:06 : <NickE> Its set inside a computer - lots of computer type gags and names (Dot Matrix is the female lead)
2013-10-05 21:51:32 : <Lensman> Dan: Well, I'm on Facebook, altho I post rarely. Do you have stuff up there about your music?
2013-10-05 21:52:00 : <Lensman> Nick: Thanx for explaining.
2013-10-05 21:52:42 : <Dan> Lens, several styles. All instrumental. Rock, jazz, orchestral, blues, '60s British Invasion, Hawkwind-inspired space rock... I try and vary everything enough to keep it from being boring. Good background music for driving or web-surfing, in my opinion.
2013-10-05 21:52:48 : <Lensman> Dan: But you didn't answer: What style is your music?
2013-10-05 21:52:56 : <Lensman> Oops.
2013-10-05 21:53:21 : <sean> dan is multitalented.
2013-10-05 21:53:28 : <Lensman> Very!
2013-10-05 21:53:49 : <sean> he also makes steampunk weaponry and runs the worlds longest funning webzine.
2013-10-05 21:54:11 : <sean> funning=running
2013-10-05 21:54:32 : <Lensman> Author, Steampunk costumer, multi-styled musician... "A Man for All Seasons".
2013-10-05 21:54:47 : <sean> or is it longest running that still exists? never can remember
2013-10-05 21:55:06 : <Lensman> Oh, editor too! I suspected there was more to his resume than I'd listed.
2013-10-05 21:55:53 : <Dan> There are links to everything here, but the Bandcamp website offers free plays of everything on the first two albums. Oh, if you want a physical CD, please buy it from the Create Space website rather than from Amazon. I get $10 per sale from Create Space, but only $4.70 from Amazon for a physical CD.
2013-10-05 21:55:58 : <Dan> http://www.aphelion-webzine.com/casavila/studio-d.html
2013-10-05 21:56:36 : <Dan> Longest running, still extant creative writing SF&F e-zine.
2013-10-05 21:57:02 : <sean> there ya go
2013-10-05 21:58:13 : <Dan> LOL! And I'm humble, too.
2013-10-05 21:58:34 : <Lensman> Dan: What is that to the right on your 1st album cover? A stuffed toy animal?
2013-10-05 21:58:46 : <sean> and just over a tank of gas away for the explorer. even if the gps made me drive a shit load extra
2013-10-05 21:59:14 : <Lensman> Aphelion. Sure, what fan hasn't heard of that? As I said... my memory is worse than I realized. Sigh.
2013-10-05 21:59:29 : <sean> just need to remember to bring a bigger cooler next time
2013-10-05 22:00:31 : <Dan> Indeed! The fellow who owns the motorcycle in which the photo was taken has a stuffed bear lashed to the handlebars. Roger is... Odd, even for an Englishman.
2013-10-05 22:01:17 : <Dan> The photo is of a reflection in the chrome of the motorcycle headlight.
2013-10-05 22:01:21 : <Lensman> Okay. thought that was a motorcycle, but it could have been a bicycle so far as I coul see.
2013-10-05 22:02:19 : <Lensman> (Don't tell him I said that!!) .. :)
2013-10-05 22:03:08 : <Dan> Roger would say thay it is a bicycle. Just a great bigh motorized bicycle. LOL!
2013-10-05 22:03:47 : <Lensman> Well, a man who keeps a stuffed toy bear strapped to the handlebars of his cycle is... apparently very secure in his manhood. :)
2013-10-05 22:04:18 : <Dan> "Learning Curve" has the oldest material. "Second Helping" has about 3/4s of the music written within weeks of my releasing the album.
2013-10-05 22:05:11 : <Lensman> "Within weeks". Obviously the old studio system is dead!
2013-10-05 22:05:36 : <Alex_A> About to re-watch MAOS 2, so will probably go quiet :)
2013-10-05 22:05:39 : <Dan> "Displaced Detective" has been in progress since June this year. It'll be more like a full orchestra with a rock band back-up.
2013-10-05 22:05:44 : <ronn> Dan: I presume "bigh" is the UK spelling, like "colour"?
2013-10-05 22:06:01 : <sean> a type i think
2013-10-05 22:06:01 : <Dan> Nah, just big with a typo.
2013-10-05 22:06:29 : <Lensman> Well, I confess "Homeland" season 2 is calling to me rather strongly... so I'll probably sign off soon, too. Or rather, go "free"...
2013-10-05 22:06:33 : <sean> dang... me trying to type typo was a typo
2013-10-05 22:06:36 : <Dan> I'm typing too fast on too little beer.
2013-10-05 22:06:39 : <ronn> Did I forget the smiley face?
2013-10-05 22:07:11 : <Lensman> ronn: The smiley face was implied in your post, as the "g" is silent in "night".
2013-10-05 22:07:15 : <sean> no worries Ronn... i knew what you meant
2013-10-05 22:07:55 : <sean> this is turning into a heck of a game
2013-10-05 22:08:17 : <ronn> If the "g" is silent, wouldn't it be pronounced "bih"?
2013-10-05 22:08:34 : <Lensman> But no, any fanzine editor worth his propeller beanie would point out that putting in an extra "h" is maintaining fannish tradition, as in "ghod" and "bheer".
2013-10-05 22:09:04 : <Dan> Stephanie Osborn's husband Darrell is doing the cover art for the "Displaced Detective" album. He's a pro graphic artist with dozens of book covers to his name, a magician, a balloon artist, and several other things on the side.
2013-10-05 22:09:42 : <sean> great guy
2013-10-05 22:09:43 : <Lensman> One Renaissance Man assisting another...
2013-10-05 22:10:17 : <sean> I BS'd with doc for about an hour this year.
2013-10-05 22:11:03 : <Dan> I've got to take a couple of reference photos of the first two CD covers so he can position the text correctly, and then I'll be ready to upload the artwork to Create Space and the album will be live about a week later.
2013-10-05 22:12:09 : <Dan> Stephanie says that there are at least 50 of her fans who want to have the album out "RIGHT NOW." :)
2013-10-05 22:12:33 : <Lensman> And for anyone who forgets the 1st Saturday is Niven Chat day, you can ask Sean to send you a monthly e-mail reminder.
2013-10-05 22:12:44 : <sean> thats cool. I have not read a DD novel but I want to.
2013-10-05 22:13:13 : <sean> email me the request if so. sean1783@gmail.com.
2013-10-05 22:13:31 : <Dan> I've got alerts programmed into my cell phone and my iPad. If I'm absent, it's because duty called and I couldn't get home in time.
2013-10-05 22:14:56 : <ronn> I usually remember: sometimes I just feel like crud and bed is more inviting.
2013-10-05 22:15:02 : <Dan> Sean, they were on sale on Amazon just recently. But Stephanie said that she is going to stop selling books at conventions. She's missing all the fun stuff by sitting at a dealer's table the whole con.
2013-10-05 22:15:27 : <sean> I understand. she seemed pretty stressed this year
2013-10-05 22:15:45 : <sean> lot of fun last year
2013-10-05 22:16:06 : <Dan> She's willing to autograph books any time, but she doesn't want to pass up having fun at cons because of having to sit in the dealer's rooms.
2013-10-05 22:16:48 : <sean> like i said, she was much more fun last year when we were trading pistols beer and irish mist.
2013-10-05 22:17:09 : <Dan> Tie score! GA vs TN! Getting to be a good game!
2013-10-05 22:18:38 : <sean> think GA will take it tho
2013-10-05 22:19:21 : <sean> then i get forward to watching florida crush kentucky... and next week the waterboys from alabama crushing kentucky. oh well
2013-10-05 22:19:22 : <Dan> I thought so too, up 'til GA had so many injuries. Now it's a coin toss. But this is always the best college game of the year, for me.
2013-10-05 22:20:37 : <Dan> TN lost almost all their best players to Graduation. GA has a habit of slacking off when they think they're ahead in the 1st half.
2013-10-05 22:21:18 : <ronn> sean: "like i said, she was much more fun last year when we were trading pistols beer"
2013-10-05 22:21:18 : <ronn> would those be _shots_ of pistols beer? ;)
2013-10-05 22:22:00 : <Dan> Stephanie asked me to create a steampunk ray gun for her. She paid me in cases of beer.
2013-10-05 22:22:13 : <sean> steam punk pistols, cases of beer in trade between steph and dan. the irish mist was rather tasty tho
2013-10-05 22:22:55 : <Dan> I brought a bottle of Irish Mist a) because I love the stuff, and b) for the ObNiven.
2013-10-05 22:23:07 : <sean> it was damn tasty
2013-10-05 22:23:08 : <ronn> never mind
2013-10-05 22:23:22 : <sean> i know you were going for the joke ronn!
2013-10-05 22:24:16 : <ronn> I thought it was worth taking a shot at . . .
2013-10-05 22:24:31 : <sean> hey, ronn! I am back to a 10 inch Newtonian on a Dobsonian base. whats best to look at right now? and how will that do for ISON?
2013-10-05 22:25:23 : <Dan> Here you go! The larger pistol is Stephanie's ray gun. The smaller pistol is one I made for my wife. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10201341672400693&set=a.10201341649120111.1073741824.1139854823&type=3&src=https%3A%2F%2Fscontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net%2Fhphotos-ash3%2F1017091_10201341672400693_102234558_n.jpg&size=960%2C584
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2013-10-05 22:26:31 : <Dan> 24 to 17, Ga regaining their lead.
2013-10-05 22:27:18 : <Lensman_free> Impressive pistols, Dan. Did you do the woodworking yourself?
2013-10-05 22:28:26 : <ronn> After midnight Orion is up, with the nebula and all the stuff around that part of the sky. Jupiter is the real bright extra "star" in the middle of Gemini.
2013-10-05 22:28:27 : <ronn> Should be fine when it gets closer.
2013-10-05 22:28:32 : <Dan> Yes I did. I started with a block of 2x4, and shaped the curves with a bandsaw and then sanded the rough shapes smooth by hand.
2013-10-05 22:29:42 : <Lensman_free> Well, as one woodworker to another, I admire your work.
2013-10-05 22:29:57 : <sean> I have good optics with it which as you know is the real key. a friend rotates scopes to me as an off site location just in case something bad happens at his house. dont think he will ever bring the 16 inch newtonian over tho
2013-10-05 22:30:01 : <Lensman_free> Yeah, I figured there was some hand shaping involved. No way to do that on a lathe.
2013-10-05 22:32:12 : <Dan> I braced the squared-off rough shapes in a vice, and used long strips of coarse sandpaper to smooth the edges into gentle curves. Sort of like using a long rag to polish a boot. Took several hours of sanding on each piece.
2013-10-05 22:34:09 : <Dan> Over 100 hours of work on Stephanie's ray gun, and over 50 hours on my wife's ray gun. The last one I made took only 20 hours. I'm trying to get it down to roughly 10 hours per pistol.
2013-10-05 22:35:59 : <Dan> I used up the best micro-junk parts on Stephanie's and Lyn's, so I'm trying to find more junk to use for future ray guns. I have about a dozen different shapes of wooden frames to use, too.
2013-10-05 22:37:53 : <sean> hell of a play
2013-10-05 22:38:47 : <Dan> That was good! They've got me on the edge of my seat.
2013-10-05 22:39:42 : <Dan> Lens, I also have these: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10201341842764952&set=a.3194917708740.2156650.1139854823&type=3&src=https%3A%2F%2Fscontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net%2Fhphotos-ash3%2F943220_10201341842764952_592997689_n.jpg&size=960%2C720
2013-10-05 22:39:50 : <sean> main room with laptop actually in lap... i am remembering their is no tv in your main puter room
2013-10-05 22:40:21 : <Dan> https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10201333961087915&set=a.3194917708740.2156650.1139854823&type=3&src=https%3A%2F%2Fscontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net%2Fhphotos-ash3%2F242_10201333961087915_496144200_n.jpg&size=960%2C720
2013-10-05 22:41:03 : <Dan> Sean, I have the game on the radio here in the office. Lyn is watching it on the TV.
2013-10-05 22:41:25 : <sean> its worth watching
2013-10-05 22:41:31 : <sean> commercial
2013-10-05 22:41:33 : <Dan> Tied again! This is getting to be an exciting game!
2013-10-05 22:42:07 : <sean> office to you means main puter room to me
2013-10-05 22:42:14 : <Dan> Yep.
2013-10-05 22:42:48 : <Dan> Office, studio, nap-chair... :)
2013-10-05 22:42:54 : <sean> little over 11 minutes to go... means about 35 minutes of game time
2013-10-05 22:43:41 : <sean> anybody want to create an IRC server and link to me to make an irc network?
2013-10-05 22:44:31 : <Dan> Hmmmm... Interesting proposition. I'll think about it.
2013-10-05 22:45:09 : <sean> it does not require a linux box but highly recommended.
2013-10-05 22:49:23 : <sean> dan, do you have a box available?
2013-10-05 22:50:17 : <sean> it can be an old box... no gui needed.
2013-10-05 22:50:18 : <Dan> Several, actually. Deciding whis one to re-purpose would be the challenge. I have the linux install discs already.
2013-10-05 22:51:05 : <sean> neither of my servers have keyboards or screens attached.
2013-10-05 22:51:40 : <Dan> Probably the P2 that used to be in the living room would be the easiest to convert.
2013-10-05 22:52:14 : <sean> but they are both fully accessable. and without powerloss or isp issues have been online for years.
2013-10-05 22:52:53 : <sean> a p2? how much memory? i have a shit load here that would fit that
2013-10-05 22:52:55 : <sean> i think
2013-10-05 22:53:37 : <Dan> Dunno. I think I had a lot of memory for it, but I could be thinking about a different antique.
2013-10-05 22:54:02 : <NickE> gonna duck out to bed, next month folks!
2013-10-05 22:54:07 : <sean> night nick
2013-10-05 22:54:10 : <Dan> Bye, Nick!
2013-10-05 22:54:17 : <NickE> ttfn
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2013-10-05 22:55:20 : <sean> with ubuntu server... if the P2 has 512 that is more than enough
2013-10-05 22:56:52 : <Dan> Haven't the foggiest. I haven't looked at the hardware since I bought the slim-line Dell that I can't make run to replace the P@ as my Media Player in the living room.
2013-10-05 22:57:12 : <sean> i understand
2013-10-05 22:57:26 : <sean> like i said... wdtvlive
2013-10-05 22:57:42 : <Dan> I need to get that damned Dell running and installed in the living room, actually.
2013-10-05 22:58:17 : <sean> if i had the cash, i would come help ya
2013-10-05 22:58:55 : <Dan> I could UPS the bugger to you for far less than the cost of a tank of gas for you to drive back down here.
2013-10-05 22:59:21 : <sean> send it and tell me what it needs to be
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2013-10-05 22:59:52 : <sean> tank of gas to me at currant prices is about 55 bucks
2013-10-05 23:00:46 : <Dan> I just want XP loaded into it, and the wireless working. As long as graphics output can be connected to the VGA input on the livingroom TV, I can make the bugger display large enough for the TV.
2013-10-05 23:00:58 : <sean> and its a little more than a tank down and that much back. so sounds like a plan
2013-10-05 23:02:00 : <sean> no problem. and if your wireless is the issue, i have a card that can fix it... send it my way
2013-10-05 23:02:20 : <sean> s-video or vga?
2013-10-05 23:02:43 : <Dan> VGA would be good enough.
2013-10-05 23:02:54 : <sean> send it
2013-10-05 23:04:06 : <Dan> Since it's a slim-line Dell, it wants Dell cards to work. Frustrated the f*** out of me after you had to go home when we were rebuilding my main desktop 'puter.
2013-10-05 23:04:44 : <sean> i will make it work. send it.
2013-10-05 23:04:55 : <Dan> I will! LOL!
2013-10-05 23:05:26 : <sean> hell of a game
2013-10-05 23:05:43 : <sean> i still think ga has a chance
2013-10-05 23:06:14 : <Dan> I'm still on the edge of my seat. TN might just win. Before GA's injuries, I didn't think that TN had a chance.
2013-10-05 23:07:04 : <sean> i am not on the edge of my seat but its a great game
2013-10-05 23:07:05 : <fredskuentz> Green Arrow got injured?
2013-10-05 23:07:55 : <Dan> LOL, Fred!
2013-10-05 23:08:48 : <sean> do you want just xp or some media server edition?
2013-10-05 23:08:56 : <Dan> Fred, I live in Georgia and attended UGA, but my family is from Tennessee. I root for both teams, because it is always a great game when they play each other.
2013-10-05 23:10:47 : <ronn> well, i think i have to call it quits for the night
2013-10-05 23:10:52 : <Dan> Sean, just normal XP SP3, using the XP regestration number on the Dell case so it can grab updates as long as Windows will send them. AVG Free as the anti-virus.
2013-10-05 23:11:09 : <sean> ronn.. .thanks for the knowledge
2013-10-05 23:11:35 : <Dan> Goodnight, ronn! Fun to have you here, as always.
2013-10-05 23:11:37 : <ronn> ur welcome
2013-10-05 23:11:40 : <sean> maybe i can get gary... the scope guy, to do a star party with the big one

2013-10-05 23:12:40 : <sean> dan, send me the box and let me play ;)
2013-10-05 23:13:01 : <Dan> I will, might take me a couple of weeks to get the postage together.
2013-10-05 23:13:23 : <sean> if you are wanting a wireless media server.... xp may not be the best solution
2013-10-05 23:14:41 : <Dan> Easiest to tie into the household LAN, though. I might send you the carcass of the P2 at the same time. You coud linux it and make it a server during breaks from cussing the Dell. LOL!
2013-10-05 23:16:21 : <sean> not really... linux is so easy to tie to a window network. like i said, i will send you back what you need.
2013-10-05 23:18:04 : <sean> went to overtime
2013-10-05 23:18:18 : <Dan> Yeah, nerve-wracking!
2013-10-05 23:18:36 : <sean> if i was ga, i would of done the same play for a 2 point conversion
2013-10-05 23:19:21 : <Dan> One hell of a game, even if they stopped right now.
2013-10-05 23:19:40 : <sean> piss break
2013-10-05 23:34:48 : <Dan> GA 34 to 31 TN in overtime! One hell of a game!
2013-10-05 23:34:50 : <fredskuentz> So I've got good news and bad news
2013-10-05 23:35:11 : <fredskuentz> The good news is, I was eating some lovely scallops, and found a pearl!
2013-10-05 23:35:26 : <fredskuentz> The bad news is, I found it by breaking a molar in half
2013-10-05 23:35:29 : <Dan> How many teeth did you break?
2013-10-05 23:35:35 : <fredskuentz> just the one
2013-10-05 23:35:41 : <Dan> OUCH!
2013-10-05 23:35:51 : <fredskuentz> took the entire back off the back most upper left top molar
2013-10-05 23:36:03 : <fredskuentz> in one big piece
2013-10-05 23:36:04 : <Dan> Have that pearl made into a ring stone in revenge.
2013-10-05 23:36:11 : <fredskuentz> got the piece, and the pearl
2013-10-05 23:36:43 : <Dan> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwHWbsvgQUE One hell of a game!
2013-10-05 23:42:30 : <fredskuentz> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/45220525/tooth%26pearl.JPG
2013-10-05 23:43:43 : "Jim" joined the channel.
2013-10-05 23:43:58 : <Dan> Hiya again, Jim.
2013-10-05 23:44:32 : <Dan> Fred, you really need to get revenge on that pearl by having it set into a ring. Seriously!
2013-10-05 23:45:35 : <fredskuentz> it's kinda small for that :)
2013-10-05 23:45:52 : <Jim> You all are still here?
2013-10-05 23:46:03 : <fredskuentz> that hunk of tooth is probably ... 3/16th? so the pearl is maybe 1/8
2013-10-05 23:46:11 : <fredskuentz> make a dandy nose stud
2013-10-05 23:46:26 : <Dan> If it were me, and I was in a particularlly smartarse mood, I'h have the broken tooth be part of the setting for the pearl in said ring. But then, I wouldn't blame you if you got out a big hammer and smashed that pearl into powder instead.
2013-10-05 23:47:19 : <Dan> Pinky ring? LOL!
2013-10-05 23:47:51 : <Dan> You've probably got really big hands anyway, so any ring would look tiny on your fingers.
2013-10-05 23:48:37 : <fredskuentz> If I'd won that PROBE scanner ring at auction I could have this set in it