Chat Log: November 5th, 2011

Chat: November 5th, 2011

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[13:54] #knownspace> NickE: afk
[14:02] #knownspace> SeanS: .weather 40601
[14:02] #knownspace> Outsider: Clear ☼, 57.2℉ (14℃), 30.25in (1021mb), Gentle breeze 7kt (↑) - KLOU 17:53Z
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[14:15] #knownspace> SeanS: hey Dan
[14:15] #knownspace> Dan: Hiya, Sean!
[14:16] #knownspace> SeanS: whatcha up to?
[14:16] #knownspace> SeanS: nick is afk
[14:17] #knownspace> Dan: Just barely out of bed. Nodded off in my chair after I got home from work last night, then slept past 1 PM after finally dragging myself to bed around midnight.
[14:17] #knownspace> Dan: Work was fairly easy this past week, but I didn't sleep well. I guess I made up for it last night.
[14:17] #knownspace> SeanS: heh
[14:18] #knownspace> SeanS: nice editorial btw
[14:18] #knownspace> Dan: Thanks! Need to think up a new one and get it written this weekend. Most of the November issue is finished already.
[14:18] #knownspace> SeanS: stayed up at Julie's last night.
[14:20] #knownspace> SeanS: Had to fix the mailbox today. it has been tied (with shoestrings) to a piece of metal welded to a horizontal pipe since I have owned the house.
[14:20] #knownspace> Dan: LOL!
[14:20] #knownspace> SeanS: metal piece finally rusted off of the pipe so i had to improvise.
[14:21] #knownspace> Dan: I need to replace mine, & the post it's mounted to, before too long.
[14:21] #knownspace> SeanS: used giant wire ties to affix a piece of wood to the pipe and screwed the mailbox down. much more stable.
[14:21] #knownspace> SeanS: previous owner of the property was an accomplished welder. I am not.
[14:21] #knownspace> Dan: Me neither. I can weld, just not very well.
[14:22] #knownspace> SeanS: I can solder but have never welded
[14:24] #knownspace> SeanS: Thinking about asking Julie for a Kindle for Christmas
[14:26] #knownspace> Dan: I'm undecided about those. One would be nice for work, etc. but I dislike the idea that Amazon could reach into it an delete anything they decided I wasn't allowed to have anu more.
[14:30] #knownspace> SeanS: I havent seen anything about that. I did read that you can do loans from the library and something like a kindle user group but it looked more like those formats deleted themselves after the load period.
[14:31] #knownspace> SeanS: Neil has one. I can ask him.
[14:33] #knownspace> Dan: Yeah. My thing is that I've got hundreds of e-books that I got as free bonus gifts when I bought a dozen public domain e-book CDs. Not sure if all of them are entirely leagal. I'd rather not have Amazon poking around in my files to see what I've bought from them and what I bought elsewhere, then deciding I was a criminal.
[14:35] #knownspace> SeanS: I would not have an amazon account so dont see how they could have access.
[14:35] #knownspace> Akiraa: Why is it said our planet still has 20% of the original heat of formation? The interior is heated by radioactive decay, without which it would have solidified in just a few million years. The primordial heat (of accretion) is basically gone.
[14:37] #knownspace> NickE: back. evenin all
[14:38] #knownspace> Akiraa: hello NickE
[14:38] #knownspace> Akiraa: is this the monthly Larry chat?
[14:38] #knownspace> Dan: Akiraa, maybe one of our Physicists can answer that. It does sound odd when put into words, though.
[14:38] #knownspace> NickE: should be
[14:38] #knownspace> SeanS: the official start time is in about 22 minutes.
[14:39] #knownspace> Akiraa: I was also wondering if stars with greater metallicity would also generate planets with a greater proportion of radioactive elements
[14:39] #knownspace> Akiraa: leading to potentially greater internal heat, greater chance of plate tectonics or active geology, volcanism etc...
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[14:39] #knownspace> Akiraa: or the possibility of warm interiors in smaller planets
[14:40] #knownspace> NickE: Hi Hippy
[14:40] #knownspace> Akiraa: so more chances for life to occur
[14:40] #knownspace> Hippy: Hi, Nick
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[14:40] #knownspace> NickE: Hi Fred
[14:40] #knownspace> Hippy: Hi, Fred
[14:40] #knownspace> Fred_via_Flash: Greetings Legal Entities
[14:40] #knownspace> Hippy: Looks like we're all getting in early, or I've got the timezones wrong again
[14:41] #knownspace> Fred_via_Flash: I failed to connect via the Java link on the site
[14:41] #knownspace> NickE: havent used that in a while
[14:41] #knownspace> Hippy: Welll, good 'ol MIRC seems stable today
[14:41] #knownspace> NickE: eris works pretty well
[14:41] #knownspace> Fred_via_Flash: Yeah, I came in via eris
[14:41] #knownspace> Hippy: So theree'll be no need of duct tape this session
[14:41] #knownspace> Dan: Nah, I cannected early on general principle. If I don't fire up mIRC early, I might get busy with something else and forget about the chat entirely.
[14:42] #knownspace> NickE: he said hopefully
[14:42] #knownspace> Fred_via_Flash: LOL, Dan, exactlly
[14:42] #knownspace> Fred_via_Flash: connect before hand or suddenly realize it's 4pm
[14:42] #knownspace> Fred_via_Flash: Good to see you guys again
[14:42] #knownspace> Hippy: Good to see anything :)
[14:43] #knownspace> Dan: I've gotten more absent-minded with the passing of the years. :)
[14:43] #knownspace> SeanS: I will check with Mark on the Java client.
[14:43] #knownspace> SeanS: failed here as well.
[14:44] #knownspace> Dan: Aphelion's chat room had a Java client option. Rob got very tired of fixing it every other month. :)
[14:44] #knownspace> SeanS: it is probably something simple. LIke where my IP changed a while back
[14:44] #knownspace> Dan: That's quite possibly it, Sean.
[14:45] #knownspace> SeanS: that broke the eris client until I made a change in the eris config
[14:45] #knownspace> Hippy: That or evil spirits
[14:45] #knownspace> SeanS: evil spirits and sunspots can also affect java
[14:45] #knownspace> Hippy: Some sort of Gypsy curse. . .
[14:47] #knownspace> Akiraa: the IP is wrong in the applet page, it's hardcoded to and it should be
[14:47] #knownspace> Dan: I've gotten 2 of the voice actor's recordings in for the Airships Suite song I'm upgrading from an instrumental to an audio play version. Another one is *supposed to send me his files tonight. That leaves only the Narrator actor sending his, and me recording the part I'm doing, and I can start the re-mix! This is going to be soooooo good!
[14:48] #knownspace> SeanS: my old IP addy compared to my new IP addy.
[14:48] #knownspace> Hippy: Dan this is most interstting. What are then names of these artistes?
[14:49] #knownspace> SeanS: I dont have access to make the change to the java client. Mark has been made aware.
[14:49] #knownspace> NickE: some nice sounding stuff Dan's doing
[14:50] #knownspace> Hippy: Yeah
[14:50] #knownspace> Dan: Our own Neil Pritchard is one. Alex Stadler (guitar player for The Extraordinary Contraptions) is another. My web Maven is yet another. Denis Vore is my Narrator, and myself. But that's just for this one song.
[14:51] #knownspace> NickE: awesome
[14:51] #knownspace> Hippy: Neil I'm familiar with, and Denis Vore sounds familiar
[14:52] #knownspace> Hippy: Was it Neil or Nick that played 'Spike' on some Buffy project?
[14:52] #knownspace> Dan: I decidec that the Narrator charactor will be the only constant voice. For the rest of the pieces, we'll each get to trade parts around so that the complete work sounds like it's about airships in general rather than concerning one particular airship.
[14:52] #knownspace> NickE: <ahem> guilty
[14:52] #knownspace> Hippy: J'accuse, Nick!
[14:53] #knownspace> Hippy: So it's clear many people on this channel can talk
[14:53] #knownspace> NickE: that was a while ago
[14:53] #knownspace> Dan: When I heard Neil's recordings, I damn near cried from hearing my words brought to life so vividly.
[14:53] #knownspace> Hippy: My life is so devoid of activity that it seems like yesterday, Nick
[14:53] #knownspace> NickE: Neil has a decent voice as I recal from a couple of Skype chats
[14:54] #knownspace> Hippy: I presume he retains an English accent?
[14:54] #knownspace> NickE: a fara s I can remember yes
[14:54] #knownspace> Dan: Indeed he does.
[14:54] #knownspace> Hippy: Ah. . .
[14:55] #knownspace> NickE: (this was a couple of years back, but doubt he'd pick up much of a twang between then and now :-)
[14:55] #knownspace> Dan: His voice resembles that of the British actor on Enterprise in tone and pitch. Quite lovely.
[14:56] #knownspace> Hippy: Dominic Keating, if I recall correctly
[14:57] #knownspace> Dan: Dennis Vore has a very deep bass voice. Alex Stadler provided me with 4 different readings of the lines, depicting the chame character at different ages from Cadet to Sgt. Major, so to speak.
[14:57] #knownspace> Hippy: Well done!
[14:58] #knownspace> Dan: Rob Wynne is a filker, so his voice is well trained, at least for singing, LOL!
[14:58] #knownspace> jonmanyjars: bang bang kapow
[14:58] #knownspace> jonmanyjars: sounds like beruit outside
[14:59] #knownspace> NickE: yo Mark
[14:59] #knownspace> Hippy: Oh, of course. Guy Fawkes
[14:59] #knownspace> jonmanyjars: hey nick longtime no type
[14:59] #knownspace> Dan: Sounds like that here, too. I think Deer Season opened last weekend.
[14:59] #knownspace> Hippy: I wish we still had that
[14:59] #knownspace> NickE: been a few bangs, but not too bad yt
[14:59] #knownspace> jonmanyjars: suddenly guy fawkes is everywhere
[14:59] #knownspace> jonmanyjars: we're having a big night to celebrate hang drawing and quartering someone (;
[14:59] #knownspace> NickE: heh, V mask makers are making a mint
[14:59] #knownspace> Hippy: Not in the Antipodes it isn't
[15:00] #knownspace> jonmanyjars: after you're hung, i'm not sure what differnce it makes drawing and quartering you
[15:00] #knownspace> Hippy: Well, you're still alive when they do it
[15:00] #knownspace> NickE: hung till not quite dead
[15:00] #knownspace> jonmanyjars: ah.
[15:00] #knownspace> NickE: so not nice
[15:00] #knownspace> jonmanyjars: that's okay then.
[15:00] #knownspace> jonmanyjars: bring back the pillory!
[15:01] #knownspace> Hippy: It puts a damper on your socal life, yes
[15:01] #knownspace> NickE: well, they's want you to enjoy it
[15:01] #knownspace> Hippy: And tell all your friends
[15:02] #knownspace> NickE: luckily our cat simply doesnt seem bothered
[15:02] #knownspace> Hippy: The executioner will even tweet for you
[15:02] #knownspace> NickE: <g>
[15:02] #knownspace> Hippy: Ooh, sun's just coming up. Nice sunrise
[15:03] #knownspace> Hippy: So, shaping up to be a nice day mowing the lawn
[15:04] #knownspace> jonmanyjars: must go to party be back later
[15:04] #knownspace> Hippy: See you then!
[15:04] #knownspace> NickE: k, have fun
[15:05] #knownspace> SeanS: fix the java client
[15:06] #knownspace> SeanS: screw it, go party.
[15:06] #knownspace> NickE: well into autumn here, so no mowing for me
[15:07] #knownspace> Hippy: Well into Spring and the grass has just gone 'foom!' It's like 'Greener Than You Think'
[15:07] #knownspace> NickE: lwn vaguely has teh consistecy of a sponge
[15:07] #knownspace> Dan: I need to mow at least once more so that the lawn doesn't jungle-up on me during the Winter.
[15:07] #knownspace> NickE: I'd prefer to also, but it just gets too wet
[15:07] #knownspace> SeanS: I would mow once more but the 10,000 walnuts in the yard makes it a hazardous exorcise.
[15:08] #knownspace> Hippy: Wet is the problem here, too, this year
[15:10] #knownspace> NickE: bloody squirrelsl had all our walnuts
[15:10] #knownspace> SeanS: you can have as many of these as you want
[15:11] #knownspace> NickE: nah, I'm good :-)
[15:12] #knownspace> NickE: brb
[15:15] #knownspace> Dan: I need to make a weekend beer run before everything gets busy here. LOL!
[15:16] #knownspace> Hippy: It's a bit early for me :)
[15:18] #knownspace> NickE: well yes :-)
[15:18] #knownspace> NickE: on the vino atm
[15:20] #knownspace> NickE: have to go reasonably easy as am a work tomorrow (start of probably 2 weeks without a full day's break)
[15:20] #knownspace> Hippy: I"m having a nice cup of tea
[15:20] #knownspace> Hippy: Egad, Nick
[15:23] #knownspace> SeanS: sipping on a beer here.
[15:25] #knownspace> Hippy: What brand?
[15:25] #knownspace> NickE: doesnt happen often (just when we're doing a malaria challenge clinical trial)
[15:25] #knownspace> Hippy: 'Malaria Challenge' sounds like a quiz show
[15:26] #knownspace> NickE: Found a good new beer to me - Profanity Stout
[15:26] #knownspace> NickE: hehe
[15:26] #knownspace> Hippy: I'
[15:26] #knownspace> Hippy: I've been getting into Samuel Smith's Nut Brown Ale. Very nice
[15:26] #knownspace> NickE: yummy
[15:27] #knownspace> NickE: brb
[15:27] #knownspace> Hippy: Oh, yes, and what the hell is it with imported beer in the US? I had ten stubbies of Newcastle Brown Ale in Florida in September and didn't even get the ghost of a glow of a nice inebriated feeling. I tried to find the alc/vol amount and it's nowhere on the bottle!
[15:28] #knownspace> Hippy: So, how alcoholic is it? 1%?
[15:29] #knownspace> mikembley: Why were you even drinking Newcastle Brown, yuck!
[15:29] #knownspace> Hippy: There's this huge bit of the label telling you about the dangers of alcohol, causing birth defects, cancer, arthritis, surprise pregnancies, whatever, but how can you know how much alcohol you've actually had?
[15:29] #knownspace> SeanS: typically 3.2 i believe
[15:29] #knownspace> Hippy: Ah. . .well, that would explain it
[15:29] #knownspace> NickE: Newkay broon's the stuff tha knows
[15:29] #knownspace> Hippy: I'm open to suggestions, mike
[15:30] #knownspace> mikembley: That stuff gives me carpet tongue.
[15:30] #knownspace> NickE: 3.. for NB? nah, should be at leats 4.2
[15:30] #knownspace> Hippy: I agree, Nick!
[15:31] #knownspace> Hippy: The Pilsner Urquell was the same. Might as well drink. . .well. . .well, Sam Adams is bearble
[15:31] #knownspace> SeanS: In the U.S. the alcohol content of beer is frequently indicated by weight while wine is usually indicated by volume. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (BATF) uses the weight measurement, and we often hear about 3.2 beer which is by weight, which equates to approximately 4% by volume.*
[15:31] #knownspace> NickE: good grief, Urquell should have been really good
[15:31] #knownspace> Dan: Back from the store.
[15:32] #knownspace> Hippy: There's no way this was 4%
[15:32] #knownspace> NickE: whatcha get?
[15:32] #knownspace> SeanS: wb
[15:32] #knownspace> Hippy: Not imported beer, I hope
[15:33] #knownspace> Hippy: So, Sean, on your beer does it say anywhere on the label what 'weight' it is?
[15:33] #knownspace> SeanS: other than 12 ounces?
[15:33] #knownspace> Dan: Natural Light for me, Steel Reserve for Lyn.
[15:33] #knownspace> SeanS: Miller lite here.
[15:33] #knownspace> NickE: something I was pleasantly surprised by when at Dragon Con in Atlanta last year was the quality of teh local beers
[15:34] #knownspace> Hippy: I'll bear that in mind, Nick
[15:34] #knownspace> SeanS:
[15:34] #knownspace> Hippy: So, Sean, you'd have to guess how alcoholic the beer was
[15:34] #knownspace> NickE: the American micro brewery IPAs tend to be very good indeed
[15:34] #knownspace> SeanS: now when I am making beer they are typically 4-6 percent according to the hygrometer readings.
[15:34] #knownspace> Dan: There *are* some good local brews here near Atlanta, yes. They cost a lot more than Natty Light, though.
[15:35] #knownspace> Hippy: Oh, yes, IPA's are so much the rage here now that they just use the acronoym. Took me a bit to work out what they meant the last time I was having a few snifters
[15:36] #knownspace> SeanS: looking at this can, I see 3.2 carbs and the only other measurement is 12 ounces/355ml
[15:39] #knownspace> NickE: The Profanity Stout I picked up today is 7% by volume
[15:39] #knownspace> Hippy: Now that's a beer!
[15:39] #knownspace> NickE: oh yes
[15:39] #knownspace> NickE: tasty too.
[15:39] #knownspace> Hippy: Oh, good, Sean, it means I wasn't going nuts because I couldn't see a measurement on my bottles of NB
[15:40] #knownspace> Hippy: So my defence on a drink driving charge would be that I simply didn't know I was drinking anything alcoholic, because it doesn't say on the label!
[15:40] #knownspace> Fred_via_Flash: The last beer I got was Werewolf beer from Romania
[15:41] #knownspace> NickE: any good?
[15:41] #knownspace> Fred_via_Flash: (hey, it was Halloween)
[15:41] #knownspace> Akiraa: I never heard of that beer
[15:41] #knownspace> SeanS: good plan, Fred
[15:42] #knownspace> Akiraa: it's probably sold to tourists, relabeled from another local beer
[15:42] #knownspace> Fred_via_Flash: it was the first time I ever understood what people meant when they referred to a beer as 'skunky'
[15:42] #knownspace> Fred_via_Flash: so I cooked with it instead
[15:42] #knownspace> Fred_via_Flash: had a slow cooker recipe
[15:42] #knownspace> Dan: Same thing on this can. But as I recall from the past, NL is 4.3% alcohol.
[15:42] #knownspace> Fred_via_Flash: and ended up throwing out the entire slab of meat
[15:42] #knownspace> Fred_via_Flash: 'cause it tasted like skunk
[15:42] #knownspace> Fred_via_Flash: :(
[15:43] #knownspace> Fred_via_Flash:
[15:43] #knownspace> NickE: not so great then
[15:44] #knownspace> Fred_via_Flash: 8.2% alcohol
[15:44] #knownspace> Fred_via_Flash: looks like I win
[15:44] #knownspace> Fred_via_Flash: :)
[15:44] #knownspace> SeanS: I am going to make it to England at some point and let my English buddies introduce me to some good beer.
[15:45] #knownspace> Dan: They have some GREAT beer over there!
[15:45] #knownspace> Dan: I think that we're going back in August for a Jack the Ripper conference.
[15:45] #knownspace> Hippy: That they do
[15:46] #knownspace> SeanS: hint hint, English buddies.
[15:46] #knownspace> Hippy: 4.3% is pretty high for a light beer
[15:46] #knownspace> Hippy: Land's End to John O'Groats by pub
[15:47] #knownspace> Dan: According to several websites, NL is the best compromise between carbs, hooch content, and still resembles the taste of actual beer. LOL!
[15:47] #knownspace> Fred_via_Flash: hah
[15:47] #knownspace> Fred_via_Flash:
[15:47] #knownspace> Fred_via_Flash: review says 'skunk
[15:48] #knownspace> NickE: Now I know that Hobgoblin can be obtained in the US. That is a really nice pint. 5.2% abv, rich malty taste with good hoppy balance and satisfying dark flavour
[15:49] #knownspace> Dan: Lyn's Steel Reserve, on the other hand is closer to 5% alcohol, and tastes a bit too "fruity" for me to enjoy. She loves it, though.
[15:49] #knownspace> NickE: Draft or bottled is good. Don't know abot cans, but past experience suggests not to bother with most canned real ales (Tanglefoot possibly an exception)
[15:49] #knownspace> Fred_via_Flash: In college I used to drink THOR beer
[15:49] #knownspace> Fred_via_Flash: it wasn't very good
[15:49] #knownspace> Fred_via_Flash: but tanj dammit, it was THOR BEER
[15:49] #knownspace> NickE: heh
[15:50] #knownspace> Dan: LOL!
[15:50] #knownspace> Fred_via_Flash:
[15:50] #knownspace> SeanS: Its times like this that I envy the glass from Elephant's bar.
[15:50] #knownspace> Fred_via_Flash: we went to a sandwich place that prided itself on having a wide variety of imported and obscure brews
[15:50] #knownspace> SeanS: or wish I had the glass from Elephant's bat
[15:50] #knownspace> SeanS: bar
[15:51] #knownspace> NickE: Elephant Beer was nice (not sure if it's stil made by Carlseberg)
[15:52] #knownspace> NickE: ah..I've actually had Thor beer in Denmark. The stuff I had was quite decent as I recall
[15:53] #knownspace> Fred_via_Flash: cool
[15:53] #knownspace> NickE: (This was teh pilsner)
[15:53] #knownspace> Fred_via_Flash: probably tastes better in Denmark than in Phoenix :D
[15:53] #knownspace> Dan: Sean, when I was playing D&D I stole that detail for all my liquor & wine bottles that were treasure items. Empty it, set it down, & it refilled. Also could be used as a weapon: throw the bottle like a grenade and watch as your attackers drowned in booze! (I added a safety valve so that after a small lake of drink was created too quickly, the teleport shut down.
[15:53] #knownspace> Fred_via_Flash: and I don't have a very sophisticated alcohol palette
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[15:53] #knownspace> SeanS: cool
[15:53] #knownspace> SeanS: Hi Ed.
[15:53] #knownspace> Fred_via_Flash: Hey Ed!
[15:53] #knownspace> NickE: Hi Ed
[15:53] #knownspace> EML: Hi, all. S'up?
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[15:53] #knownspace> Dan: Hiya, Ed! How's tricks?
[15:54] #knownspace> dmac44: hi guys
[15:54] #knownspace> SeanS: Hih dmac
[15:54] #knownspace> NickE: evenin
[15:54] #knownspace> SeanS: dang... have lost control of fingers already
[15:54] #knownspace> Hippy: Hi, Ed, dmac
[15:54] #knownspace> EML: Sort of a Waltons feeling here :-)
[15:55] #knownspace> SeanS: heh
[15:55] #knownspace> Fred_via_Flash: Goodnight Ed
[15:55] #knownspace> Fred_via_Flash: Goodnight Teela
[15:55] #knownspace> Hippy: It's all that 4% beer, Sean
[15:55] #knownspace> Fred_via_Flash: Goodnight Gregory
[15:55] #knownspace> NickE: <g>
[15:55] #knownspace> SeanS: then I am in big trouble, Hippy. Have only had 2.
[15:55] #knownspace> Dan: Ed, I was given a copy of "Fool's Experiments" as a gift last month. I enjoyed it quite a lot. Didn't want to put it down.
[15:56] #knownspace> EML: Dan: Glad you enjoyed it.
[15:56] #knownspace> EML: IT's a change from KS fare.
[15:56] #knownspace> Hippy: The first two are the worst. Then you ease into the thing the name of which I can't remember - the state of supreme self-knowledge acheived through drink'
[15:56] #knownspace> SeanS: That's a good recommendation. Julie has been wanting to find something for my birthday. Fools Experiments was recommended by someone I know.
[15:57] #knownspace> Dan: Yes, I do like a variety of writers. I'm not by any means a "single-intrest fan."
[15:57] #knownspace> EML: Dan: I meant it was a change from KS for *me."
[15:57] #knownspace> SeanS: heh
[15:58] #knownspace> SeanS: still highly intrigued by the idea of interstellerNET
[15:58] #knownspace> Dan: Ah! LOL! Sorry, Ed. But it applied to me eaqually. :)
[15:58] #knownspace> NickE: will have to stick that on my Christmas list
[15:58] #knownspace> EML: Sean: me, too :-)
[15:59] #knownspace> EML: Has Larry been by today?
[15:59] #knownspace> Dan: Not yet, Ed.
[16:00] #knownspace> SeanS: There may be a kindle in my future.. How does electronic copy compare to book copy from the author's (money) point of view?
[16:00] #knownspace> Fred_via_Flash: So now that the Ringworld doesn't have shadow squares any more, do they still observe Daylight Saving Time?
[16:00] #knownspace> Hippy: Good toopic, Fred
[16:00] #knownspace> Hippy: Er. . .topic
[16:00] #knownspace> Fred_via_Flash: Sean, given that the electronic copies are barely any less expensive, the authors damn well be getting at least the same royalties
[16:01] #knownspace> EML: Sean: there's no single answer. It varies by publisher, sometimes even by book (because contract boilerplate is evolving).
[16:01] #knownspace> Hippy: Jerry Pournelle was saying that it's considerably better, Sean
[16:01] #knownspace> Fred_via_Flash: the Kindle Fire is tempting
[16:01] #knownspace> SeanS: Looking at the Kindle Touch... the 99 buck one
[16:01] #knownspace> NickE: indeed
[16:01] #knownspace> Dan: Ah! Eternal daylight might have a detrimental effect on the vampire population. Or maybe not, since they already sought out long-term shadow areas...
[16:02] #knownspace> Fred_via_Flash: even given that the vampires have hidey holes
[16:02] #knownspace> EML: The KIndle Fire *is* tempting, but I wonder if/when I can get color *and* e-ink (rather than backlit).
[16:02] #knownspace> Fred_via_Flash: they can't venture out to hunt any more
[16:02] #knownspace> NickE: my son has a standrd Kindle and it's pretty nart
[16:02] #knownspace> NickE: neat
[16:02] #knownspace> NickE: even
[16:02] #knownspace> Fred_via_Flash: I think the ghouls and night people are in trouble too
[16:02] #knownspace> Fred_via_Flash: as well at the trillions that went made from staring at hyperspace
[16:02] #knownspace> Fred_via_Flash: mad
[16:03] #knownspace> Hippy: Plus, the plant life needs darkness
[16:03] #knownspace> SeanS: Nick, Dan mentioned something about Amazon having remote control of content of the kindle. is that true?
[16:03] #knownspace> Fred_via_Flash: yes
[16:03] #knownspace> Hippy: I'm sure Tunesmith et al will build new shadow squares
[16:03] #knownspace> Fred_via_Flash: they erased a book on me
[16:03] #knownspace> Fred_via_Flash: there was a royalty problem
[16:03] #knownspace> NickE: wtf?!
[16:03] #knownspace> Fred_via_Flash: and they reached out and refunded and erased
[16:03] #knownspace> Fred_via_Flash: er, not royalty, rights problem
[16:03] #knownspace> Hippy: Holy crap!
[16:03] #knownspace> Fred_via_Flash: there was a HUGE flap about it
[16:04] #knownspace> EML: IIRC, not a royalty problem but a rights problem (Amazon didn't have rights to the work in question).
[16:04] #knownspace> Fred_via_Flash: but it's within their rights in the terms and conditions
[16:04] #knownspace> Dan: Yeah, I remember when that made the news. They deleted copies from everyone's Kindle over that.
[16:04] #knownspace> Hippy: Would backing it up to your PC solve that?
[16:04] #knownspace> Fred_via_Flash: or what ed said
[16:04] #knownspace> Fred_via_Flash: hippy, yes
[16:04] #knownspace> Fred_via_Flash: if I'd known
[16:04] #knownspace> Fred_via_Flash: although the kindle would kill it again every time I connected to the net
[16:04] #knownspace> Hippy: That's on my agenda for today, then!
[16:05] #knownspace> Fred_via_Flash: and if they're smart they can tell it not to acknowledge tht book even if I reload
[16:05] #knownspace> SeanS: so they have control of content that you get from amazon. what about stuff that you dont get from amazon. like gutenburg and library.
[16:05] #knownspace> Fred_via_Flash: sean, good question
[16:05] #knownspace> Fred_via_Flash: I just synced my kindle to an ipad
[16:05] #knownspace> Hippy: So it's only a matter of time before rights change on my paperbacks and the Feds kick my door in to take them away. What a world. . .
[16:05] #knownspace> Dan: I actually enjoy reading on my Netbook, even though the screen is small.
[16:05] #knownspace> Fred_via_Flash: it only brought across the amazon stuff
[16:05] #knownspace> Fred_via_Flash: not all my bootlegged known space for instance
[16:06] #knownspace> Fred_via_Flash: oops, was that out loud? :)
[16:06] #knownspace> Fred_via_Flash: so in theory they're ignoring anything you didn't actually purchase from Amazon
[16:06] #knownspace> SeanS: thats what I am thinking
[16:06] #knownspace> Fred_via_Flash: in practice, who knows?
[16:06] #knownspace> Fred_via_Flash: certainly they can check and see what I have on there if they want
[16:07] #knownspace> Hippy: Only if you turn the wireless on
[16:07] #knownspace> Fred_via_Flash: right
[16:07] #knownspace> Hippy: . . .I presume
[16:07] #knownspace> Dan: In theory, but the paranoid among us will neote that they might be keeping a little list of bootlegs for later use against the owners of same. LOL!
[16:07] #knownspace> Hippy: Oh, good
[16:07] #knownspace> Fred_via_Flash: which you'll hae to do sooner or laster
[16:07] #knownspace> mikembley: DRM is broken for kindle anyway.
[16:07] #knownspace> EML: The more connected you are, the less privacy you have. A nasty tradeoff ...
[16:07] #knownspace> Fred_via_Flash: ed, yes
[16:07] #knownspace> Fred_via_Flash: which is why I hate 'the cloud'
[16:07] #knownspace> mikembley:
[16:07] #knownspace> Fred_via_Flash: apple keeps trying to get me to move all my tunes, all my mail, everything to 'the cloud'