Chat Log: May 5th 2012

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[09:49] #knownspace> fredskuentz: Is it chat yet?
[09:49] #knownspace> fredskuentz: Is it?
[09:50] #knownspace> fredskuentz: Is it?
[10:15] #knownspace> sean: not for me
[10:32] #knownspace> sean: closing in on coffee time tho
[10:32] #knownspace> sean: !coffee
[10:32] #knownspace> sean: hmm, not a trigger
[10:33] #knownspace> fredskuentz: Is this your first supermoon coffee?
[10:58] #knownspace> Akiraa: http://www.jasq.org/2/post/2012/05/inverse-fizzbuzz.html
[11:19] #knownspace> fredskuentz: Wow. And I thought I had a headache *before* reading that.
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[11:29] #knownspace> SeanLap: .weather 40601
[11:29] #knownspace> Outsider: Overcast ☁, 73.4℉ (23℃), 29.96in (1011mb), Light breeze 5kt (↑) - KLOU 14:53Z
[11:31] #knownspace> sean: wont see the supermoon. pretty overcast here
[11:56] #knownspace> fredskuentz: .weather 85018
[11:56] #knownspace> Outsider: Cloudy, 73.4℉ (23℃), 29.91in (1010mb), Gentle breeze 8kt (↑) - KPHX 14:51Z
[11:56] #knownspace> fredskuentz: hard to tell
[12:29] #knownspace> sean: hard to tell what?
[12:36] #knownspace> sean: !weather 40601
[12:36] #knownspace> HAL9000: Weather info for Frankfort, Kentucky (updated on 12:28 PM EDT on May 05, 2012) -- Temperature: 70F / 21C -- Humidity: 88% -- Dew Point: 66F / 19C -- Wind: NW at 4 mph / 6 km/h -- Pressure: 29.96 in / 1014 hPa (Steady) -- Conditions: Overcast -- Visibility: 6.0 miles / 9.7 kilometers -- UV: 3 out of 16 -- Clouds: Scattered Clouds (SCT) : 900 ft / 274 m Overcast (OVC) : 2100 ft / 640 m --
[12:36] #knownspace> HAL9000: Yesterday's Maximum: 83F / 28C -- Yesterday's Minimum: 64F / 18C -- Yesterday's Cooling Degree Days: 8 -- Sunrise: 6:38 AM EDT -- Sunset: 8:35 PM EDT -- Moon Rise: 8:26 PM EDT -- Moon Set: 5:59 AM EDT -- Moon Phase: Full Moon
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[13:31] #knownspace> Lensman: Hi Nick!
[13:31] #knownspace> NickE: in and out/akf this evening so likely to be intermitently responding. Hi Lens!
[13:32] #knownspace> Lensman: That's okay, I'm multi-tasking too.
[13:33] #knownspace> Lensman: Trying to watch a "Saturday Night Live" clip on Hulu.com, but it doesn't want to play with my AdBlock.
[13:34] #knownspace> Lensman: At least that's what the error message says. I disabled AdBlock for that page and for Hulu.com in general, but to no avail.
[13:34] #knownspace> Lensman: :)
[13:34] #knownspace> Lensman: Oops...
[13:34] #knownspace> Lensman: :(
[13:46] #knownspace> sean: Hi Nick, Lens
[13:48] #knownspace> SeanDerby: in route to Julie's will log back in from there.
[13:48] #knownspace> NickE: off t' races then? or just beers? :-)
[13:48] #knownspace> NickE: Beers it os :-)
[13:48] #knownspace> NickE: is
[13:48] #knownspace> SeanDerby: look for me, I will be in the infield. just kidding. Heading to friends for the mandatory Derby Party
[13:49] #knownspace> NickE: i'll need to sign off and log in on another machine too
[13:49] #knownspace> NickE: fair nuff
[13:49] #knownspace> NickE: Avengers was bloody good
[13:49] #knownspace> SeanDerby: kids saw it last night. said it was awesome but they are 13
[13:50] #knownspace> SeanDerby: no idea who the characters are except for the movies
[13:50] #knownspace> fredskuentz: it's gonna make $400m this weekend
[13:50] #knownspace> NickE: well, I wouldn't disagree. Not the very best I've seen, but a very fine action movie with a great script
[13:50] #knownspace> fredskuentz: Hey Lensman
[13:50] #knownspace> SeanDerby: okay.. heading out. will log back in from laptop
[13:50] #knownspace> NickE: doesn't surprise me, deserves to be big
[13:50] #knownspace> NickE: K
[13:51] #knownspace> NickE: hi fred
[13:51] #knownspace> fredskuentz: we're taking a friend's son to AVENGERS but we didn't need to go opening weekend
[13:51] #knownspace> fredskuentz: hey nick
[13:51] #knownspace> fredskuentz: might go to the DBox theater with the moving seats
[13:52] #knownspace> NickE: about to log out for a little, then will be eating and intermittently at keyboard
[13:53] #knownspace> NickE: See it 2D is my advice (it was shot 2D and the $D gimmick added after, It adds nothing, but TBF, it's not too intrusive)
[13:53] #knownspace> fredskuentz: can't get DBox without 3D
[13:53] #knownspace> fredskuentz: which is annoying
[13:53] #knownspace> NickE: (I hate 3D.) It's worth seeing whatever format - and I had no choice but 3D and I still had a blast
[13:54] #knownspace> NickE: audience applauds a couple of times, it's that good
[13:54] #knownspace> fredskuentz: I suspect we'll go plain, although I wouldn't mind the STAR CLASS theater with the comfy recliners and food service
[13:54] #knownspace> fredskuentz: but they won't let kids in
[13:54] #knownspace> fredskuentz: 'cause they serve booze
[13:55] #knownspace> NickE: ah, a civilised cinema :-)
[13:55] #knownspace> NickE: OK, off for a bit, back in a few
[14:02] #knownspace> Lensman: I was stunned to see a critics' rating over 90% for "The Avengers" at RottenTomatoes.com. Critics generally don't like SF action films!
[14:03] #knownspace> Lensman: Anyway, I'm looking forward to seeing it.
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[14:55] #knownspace> Lensman: Well, almost official start time.
[14:57] #knownspace> Akiraa: what are interesting sci-fi in film or tv, upcoming?
[14:57] #knownspace> Lensman: "The Avengers" opens this weekend! Everybody seems to love it, even critics!
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[14:58] #knownspace> dmac44: Hi guys.
[14:59] #knownspace> Lensman: I haven't seen an really good SF on TV lately. My favorite current shows are "Hell on Wheels", "Suits" and "Sherlock". Well, there's "Downton Abbey" too.
[14:59] #knownspace> Lensman: Hi dmac!
[14:59] #knownspace> Lensman: Hey dmac, you owe me some e-mails!
[14:59] #knownspace> dmac44: I do? Did you send me something?
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[15:00] #knownspace> dmac44: Hi Hippy.
[15:00] #knownspace> Lensman: Hi Hippy!
[15:00] #knownspace> Hippy: Hi dmac, Lens
[15:00] #knownspace> Lensman: dmac: I sent you a very long e-mail, and you only responded to the first point, as I recall.
[15:00] #knownspace> Hippy: How's it all going in your respective time zones?
[15:00] #knownspace> dmac44: Lens: Sorry, I'll take another look at it.
[15:01] #knownspace> Lensman: Can't complain, Hippy. (Wouldn't do any good.)
[15:01] #knownspace> Hippy: I hear that
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[15:02] #knownspace> SeanLap: hello again, everyone
[15:02] #knownspace> Lensman: I thought we were having a very interesting discussion, dmac. You inspired the discussion we had a month or two ago here, about how the /Lying Bastard/ could accelerate (decelerate) from 0.8 lightspeed down to practiclaly nothing.
[15:02] #knownspace> Hippy: Hi, Sean
[15:03] #knownspace> NickE: back as well
[15:03] #knownspace> SeanLap: took a lot longer to get to Julie's than I anticipated
[15:03] #knownspace> dmac44: What were the conclusions?
[15:03] #knownspace> Hippy: Hi, NickE Are you in Africa yet?
[15:04] #knownspace> NickE: not yet, flying out Thursday
[15:04] #knownspace> Lensman: dmac: I thought you were here at least for the end of that?
[15:04] #knownspace> dmac44: I missed last month (my grandkids were here).
[15:04] #knownspace> Hippy: Good luck, then :)
[15:04] #knownspace> Lensman: We discussed the low-inertia field and zero-point energy. Larry said he preferred the latter as an explanation.
[15:05] #knownspace> Lensman: dmac: Shall I forward to you the text file of the chat that Hippy sent me?
[15:05] #knownspace> NickE: cheers
[15:05] #knownspace> NickE: lots of DEET repellent :-)
[15:05] #knownspace> dmac44: then the puppeteers are even more advanced than has been explicitly written about.
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[15:05] #knownspace> dmac44: Lens; Yes, please do.
[15:05] #knownspace> NickE: Hi Larry
[15:05] #knownspace> dmac44: Hi Larry.
[15:05] #knownspace> SeanLap: Hi Larry
[15:06] #knownspace> Lensman: Larry said ZPE presented fewer problems... altho he also said that draining the universe of ZPE would shrink space.
[15:06] #knownspace> Lensman: HI LARRY!
[15:06] #knownspace> Larry: Hi guys and gals.
[15:06] #knownspace> Lensman: And Ed said that thruster tech would be further explored in THE FATE OF WORLDS.
[15:06] #knownspace> Larry: Space is expanding. ZPE is a free ride and may save the universe.
[15:07] #knownspace> dmac44: from the Big Rip.
[15:08] #knownspace> Lensman: dmac: But we know that Baedecker was experimenting with the Outsider planetary thruster, which uses ZPE. And that he improved it. Is it much of a stretch to think that he, or other Puppeteer engineers, managed to create a ship-sized thruster using the same tech?
[15:08] #knownspace> dmac44: Yeah, that's reasonable.
[15:10] #knownspace> Larry: Hippy, can't you just scroll back?
[15:10] #knownspace> Hippy: Oh, yes. I have, but it's the not same as being there for the event :)
[15:11] #knownspace> Hippy: It's like watching tapes of the Moon landings
[15:11] #knownspace> Larry: I often step away for tea, coffee, lunch, or just to read my email/
[15:11] #knownspace> Lensman: I'll be interested to see if Ed can explain away the continuity problem he created by saying the Fleet of World only accelerated very slowly, over decades. Doesn't fit with the description of distance traveled in RINGWORLD.
[15:13] #knownspace> dmac44: The only way it seems to work is if the Puppeteers worlds started about 110 ly from Sol.
[15:13] #knownspace> Larry: Okay, here's the secret. I envisioned the Fleet being accelerated all at once by Outsider magic. Ed wanted it another way, so what the hell.
[15:13] #knownspace> NickE: ah
[15:14] #knownspace> Lensman: Larry: That's no secret. You put in "Ghost" that the Fleet was already traveling at 0.8 cee. So it was pretty obvious Ed doesn't like the implications of inertialess acceleration; he's put a lot in the ...OF WORLDS books about that.
[15:14] #knownspace> Lensman: Even had Carlos Wu saying you couldn't accelerate to 0.8 cee in just three months... if I recall.
[15:15] #knownspace> Lensman: Of course, Carlos was wrong about that. Outsiders can do it in a few minutes.
[15:15] #knownspace> Larry: I used the same instant Outsider acceleration in "Flatlander".
[15:15] #knownspace> Lensman: Yes, exactly.
[15:16] #knownspace> NickE: "someone heavy was sitting down on the universe" great line
[15:16] #knownspace> Lensman: Yah, one of my favorite Beowulf Shaeffer scenes.
[15:17] #knownspace> NickE: Like Flatlander a lot. Always wanted a bit more of Elephant
[15:17] #knownspace> Lensman: Well, I shouldn't say "inertialess" acceleration. Low-inertia acceleration.
[15:17] #knownspace> Larry: Yeah, I like Eleph