Chat Log: Feburary 6th, 2010

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[11:27] #knownspace> Lensman: How cool are the Kzinti? Well with those fur coats, I'd think pretty warm actually!
[11:27] #knownspace> Lensman: The Outsiders, now-- *they* are pretty cool!
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[11:37] #knownspace> AlexA: .time est
[11:37] #knownspace> AlexA: .g phenny
[11:37] #knownspace> Outsider: AlexA:
[11:38] #knownspace> AlexA: .t est
[11:38] #knownspace> Outsider: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 11:38:20 EST
[11:39] #knownspace> Lensman: Hi AlexA
[11:39] #knownspace> AlexA: Good morning
[11:40] #knownspace> AlexA: I guess it's still a bit early
[11:41] #knownspace> Lensman: Yes, "official" chat time is not until noon Pacific time.
[11:41] #knownspace> AlexA: I forget where you are exacly Lensman - have you got the snow?
[11:41] #knownspace> Lensman: Yup. I'm in Kansas City, KS
[11:41] #knownspace> AlexA: .t pst
[11:41] #knownspace> Outsider: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 08:41:31 PST
[11:41] #knownspace> Lensman: But then I gather *most* of the nation is covered in snow today.
[11:42] #knownspace> AlexA: Twitter is alive with snow reports
[11:42] #knownspace> Lensman: Not just us, not just the Eastern seaboard.
[11:43] #knownspace> Lensman: I think we got about 2-1/2 inches.
[11:43] #knownspace> AlexA: Amusing hashtag: #snOMG
[11:43] #knownspace> Lensman: LOL
[11:44] #knownspace> AlexA: Indeed
[11:44] #knownspace> AlexA: Rumour has it we may get another wave of snow in the UK in the next week
[11:45] #knownspace> AlexA: But nothing like what you get there
[11:45] #knownspace> AlexA: It's pretty mild here:
[11:45] #knownspace> AlexA: .weather egdm
[11:45] #knownspace> Outsider: Cloudy, 6℃, 1018mb, Gentle breeze 10kt (↑) - EGDM 15:50, 1550Z
[11:46] #knownspace> AlexA: ^airfield < a mile from me
[11:47] #knownspace> AlexA: .g ICAO Kansas city
[11:47] #knownspace> Outsider: AlexA:
[11:47] #knownspace> Lensman: I had some friends who visited England a few years back. The locals kept apologizing for it being so "hot". It actually got up to about 80 F (26-27 C). Well, I guess if you're wearing multiple layers of woolens that's hot!
[11:48] #knownspace> Lensman: But here, 80 F would be a very mild late spring or summer day.
[11:52] #knownspace> AlexA: Being an island + Gulf stream means our climate doesn't have extremes either way
[11:54] #knownspace> AlexA: When it does get hot most don't have aircon at home so can get uncomfortable.
[11:55] #knownspace> AlexA: Also aircon in cars wasn't common until recently
[11:56] #knownspace> AlexA: I think I'll drop out & return later
[11:56] #knownspace> AlexA: Brb
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[12:29] #knownspace> Lensman: Hi Sean!
[12:30] #knownspace> sean: hey
[12:36] #knownspace> sean: .weather 40601
[12:36] #knownspace> Outsider: Overcast ☁, 30.2℉ (-1℃), 29.85in (1007mb), Gentle breeze 9kt (↑) - KLOU 11:53, 1653Z
[12:37] #knownspace> Lensman: Whenever people talk about the weather, I think of one of the patter songs from /Pirates of Penzance/.
[12:40] #knownspace> Lensman: How beautifully blue the sky, / The glass is rising very high, /
[12:40] #knownspace> Lensman: Continue fine I hope it may, / And yet it rained but yesterday. /
[12:40] #knownspace> Lensman: Tomorrow it may pour again / (I hear the country wants some rain), / Yet people say, I know not why, / That we shall have a warm July. / Tomorrow it may pour again / (I hear the country wants some rain), / Yet people say, I know not why, / That we shall have a warm July. / Tomorrow it may pour again....
[12:40] #knownspace> nedry: Let us compromise, Our hearts are not of leather, let us shut your eyes and talk abotu the weather...
[12:41] #knownspace> Lensman: And also "People talk a lot about the weather, but no one *does* anything about it!" ;)
[12:41] #knownspace> Lensman: Ah! I see nedry is another G&S fan.
[12:41] #knownspace> nedry: yeah...
[12:43] #knownspace> nedry: much to my wife's horror.
[12:43] #knownspace> nedry: she thinks it's far too middle class...
[12:44] #knownspace> Lensman: 8-0 Philistine!
[12:44] #knownspace> nedry: she's an inverted snob
[12:45] #knownspace> Lensman: Well, I feel for you; I have failed to get my gf interested in G&S, either.
[12:47] #knownspace> nedry: heh
[12:47] #knownspace> nedry: there's much more class war left in the UK
[12:47] #knownspace> Lensman: So I gather, as an observer at a distance.
[12:49] #knownspace> Lensman: Hey Mark, what do you consider the highest current priority for us contributors to Should I be looking at the secondary Kzinti pages for revisions, or working on the Short Story Collections page, or what?
[12:49] #knownspace> nedry: i think the short story collections would be a good thing to finish.
[12:49] #knownspace> nedry: i've gotten distracted redoing the doonofmay stuff for a week or so
[12:49] #knownspace> Lensman: Also, you never answered my question about standardized larger cover size. Should I just go ahead and pick a size? And how would I upload images to the site?
[12:50] #knownspace> nedry: damn hippies! (;
[12:50] #knownspace> nedry: sorry no s
[12:50] #knownspace> nedry: how big do you want? something like the size of that demo I did?
[12:50] #knownspace> Lensman: "Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at"
[12:50] #knownspace> nedry:
[12:51] #knownspace> nedry: try it without the https bit...
[12:51] #knownspace> nedry: i'm really proud of the logo I did for that site. I'm not good at logos
[12:52] #knownspace> Lensman: Oh I see it's the "s" in "https"
[12:53] #knownspace> nedry: i don't know why i typed that s
[12:54] #knownspace> Lensman: Logo? Sorry I don't know what you mean. Logo for Doon of May?
[12:54] #knownspace> nedry: yeah. the image at the top.
[12:54] #knownspace> nedry: i am not artistic at all. i have the artisic ability of a clam
[12:55] #knownspace> Lensman: The main title is pretty good, yeah. The subtitle is hard to read, tho. If it was me, I'd use a non-display font with a more contrasting color.
[12:56] #knownspace> nedry: It is hard to read.
[12:56] #knownspace> nedry: it's a layered image so I can add and remove bits at will.
[12:56] #knownspace> Lensman: Ah. Well yes, there's that.
[12:57] #knownspace> nedry: i didn't want the "celtic" curley things down the sides either.
[12:57] #knownspace> nedry: one of the last space shuttle launches tomorow at 4:39am Eastern.
[12:57] #knownspace> nedry: I wonder what that is my time?
[12:58] #knownspace> Lensman: Celtic knotwork down the sides would be appropriate. The garish colors there are not.
[12:59] #knownspace> nedry: I might try to find some. on the one had, i'm the offical volunteer computer guy for this, on the other hand I'm not getting paid, on the gripping hand, i'm going to use it as an example site for my web design business that never goes anyplace because all my customers are deadbeats
[12:59] #knownspace> Lensman: Add five hours for Greenwich time.
[13:00] #knownspace> Lensman: If you're gonna use it as your example site, you definitely need to pretty it up as much as possible.
[13:01] #knownspace> nedry: not really a good situation... the whole crew launching that thing must now be waiting for their pink slips
[13:01] #knownspace> Lensman: It irks me that the trend in web design seems to be more about appearance than substance, but I guess that's what sells.
[13:01] #knownspace> nedry: i prefer as simple as possible...
[13:02] #knownspace> nedry: sites are supposed to be about information
[13:02] #knownspace> Lensman: My aim in web design is "elegant simplicity".
[13:02] #knownspace> nedry: aye
[13:02] #knownspace> Lensman: Exactly!
[13:02] #knownspace> Lensman: Substance, not flash and glitter... or Flash, either!
[13:02] #knownspace> nedry: i have to run to the store to get some burrito makings. will be back hopefully later
[13:02] #knownspace> nedry: i can't do flash...
[13:02] #knownspace> nedry: i'd have to pay someone
[13:02] #knownspace> sean: hope i don' knock a cable loose from the server putting the printer back in there.
[13:03] #knownspace> sean: if i do i wiil bring the box back online as fast as i can
[13:03] #knownspace> nedry: i need a working printer. i want to apply for the weekned job at the bowling alley. just call me homer simpson
[13:03] #knownspace> Lensman: Here's the prettiest site I've done:
[13:03] #knownspace> Lensman:
[13:04] #knownspace> nedry: nice
[13:04] #knownspace> Lensman: Thanx
[13:04] #knownspace> nedry: you could use that tableless layout i sent you for that one as well . (;
[13:04] #knownspace> nedry: be back soon
[13:04] #knownspace> Lensman: I should look at that, because setting that up as tables seemed overly complex.
[13:06] #knownspace> sean: test
[13:06] #knownspace> sean: woohoo
[13:07] #knownspace> nedry: tables suck for layout. so does css, but tables suck more
[13:08] #knownspace> sean: bye
[13:09] #knownspace> Lensman: I would be very happy to get rid of tables at my Known Space Timeline page. The table structure has gotten so complex that I always fail the first time when adding entries. I always mess up the format and have to go back and see where I've made an error.
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[13:18] #knownspace> Lensman: Hi Chris!
[13:19] #knownspace> CCulpepper: Hey! Hows life treating you?
[13:19] #knownspace> Lensman: Oh, can't complain. (Wouldn't do any good!)
[13:20] #knownspace> CCulpepper: I like that outlook!
[13:21] #knownspace> CCulpepper: Did you hear how the pres. cut nasa's budget?
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[13:25] #knownspace> Lensman: Oh yeah, that's been a hot topic of discussion on the Niven list. But congress will likely add some of the cut budget back in. NASA has unfortunately become corporate welfare in too many congressional districts.
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[13:42] #knownspace> CCulpepepr: Now I hope that I am back...
[13:44] #knownspace> SeanS: good luck
[13:45] #knownspace> CCulpepepr: Thanks
[13:45] #knownspace> SeanS: larry forgot what day it was yesterday. stayed for a few minutes then said he hoped to be back today
[13:45] #knownspace> SeanS: oops.
[13:45] #knownspace> CCulpepepr: Great!
[13:46] #knownspace> SeanS: yesterday, logged in
[13:46] #knownspace> SeanS: said he was phone proofing betrayer of worlds eith ed
[13:47] #knownspace> CCulpepepr: This whole week i didnt know what day it was. But thats what i get for texting all night.
[14:08] #knownspace> Lensman: Oh, thanks for the heads-up re Larry, Sean.
[14:09] #knownspace> Lensman: Glad to learn that Larry has, apparently, found permanent fix for his problem accessing this chat.
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[14:14] #knownspace> CCulpepper: This computer should work...
[14:18] #knownspace> Lensman: <Lensman duct tapes CCulpepper to channel>

[14:18] #knownspace> Lensman: About 42 minutes to "official" chat time...
[14:27] #knownspace> SeanS: weak duct tape
[14:31] #knownspace> Lensman: Tsk yes, duct tape failure!
[14:31] #knownspace> Lensman: Hey Sean, what is the irc command to display a message?
[14:32] #knownspace> SeanS: ?
[14:32] #knownspace> Lensman: People in this chat usually do the "duct tape to channel" not as a chat post, but as a "message".
[14:33] #knownspace> SeanS: type /me before what you want to say
[14:33] #knownspace> Lensman: I guess so... I see your screen name and post in italics which isn't normal
[14:34] #knownspace> Lensman: Thanx Sean!
[14:34] #knownspace> SeanS: np
[14:35] #knownspace> Lensman: The one thing ChatZilla seems to be missing is a list of IRC commands.
[14:35] #knownspace> SeanS: there are a bunch of them
[14:36] #knownspace> Lensman: For some reason I can't remember the "message" command.
[14:36] #knownspace> SeanS: there are commands to play sounds on all the clients in the room
[14:37] #knownspace> Lensman: Yeah, I remember the "stupid sound effects tricks" in chats of long ago.
[14:37] #knownspace> Lensman: Not so much here, I don't think; I think that was more in the Dawn Patrol chat room.
[14:37] #knownspace> SeanS: you can send files but that doesnt usually work on this server
[14:38] #knownspace> SeanS: i should set up a linux proxy/router. that would allow all the dcc stuff to work
[14:39] #knownspace> SeanS: easier just to say 'email me that'
[14:39] #knownspace> Lensman: I want a .wav file of the blood-freezing roar/snarl that Speaker used to make all Louis' muscles lock up!
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[14:41] #knownspace> Lensman: Chris, sorry my duct tape failed. I guess I need some reinforced with shadow square wire, but that stuff is *so* hard to find in local hardware stores!
[14:42] #knownspace> CCulpepper: Or that GP hull glue..
[14:43] #knownspace> Lensman: Hmmm I think Tunesmith patented that!
[14:44] #knownspace> CCulpepper: Do protectors believe in patents though?
[14:44] #knownspace> Lensman: Nope.
[14:45] #knownspace> SeanS: pre-chat speakeasy speedtest results: Download Speed: 8082 kbps (1010.3 KB/sec transfer rate)
[14:45] #knownspace> SeanS: Upload Speed: 488 kbps (61 KB/sec transfer rate)
[14:45] #knownspace> CCulpepper: Then he couldnt patent it, and even if he did would the ARM supress it?
[14:46] #knownspace> SeanS: uptime
[14:46] #knownspace> SeanS: 14:46:00 up 69 days
[14:46] #knownspace> Lensman: The U.S. Patent Office has reacted to the increasing flood of trivial or useless patents by markedly raising the bar for something being "non-obvious". To a protector, the best solution is usually obvious; so it would be a rare thing for a protector to think anything *could* be patented!
[14:48] #knownspace> CCulpepper: But for those things that are not immediatly obious they might try, if it meant that other protectors couldnt use it.
[14:48] #knownspace> Lensman: And a patent assumes that one should respect others' rights... which implies others *have* rights. I don't think protectors recognize that *anyone* has "rights".
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[14:49] #knownspace> CCulpepper: Would two protectors of the same family line fight?
[14:49] #knownspace> AlexA: .t pst
[14:49] #knownspace> Outsider: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 11:49:49 PST
[14:49] #knownspace> Lensman: Would the ARM suppress "GP hull glue"? Good question. Would they see it as a dangerous technology?
[14:50] #knownspace> CCulpepper: It would allow for non-standard designs.
[14:51] #knownspace> Lensman: Two protectors who were made from breeders who were identical twins would fight, if they had a motive. I think the best way to explain it is "The more distantly protectors are related, the more likely they are to fight each other"
[14:52] #knownspace> CCulpepper: You could make a torpedo tipped with the "glue" with a hyper-drive motor for guts. Sounds pretty dangerous, espesially nead a sun...
[14:53] #knownspace> Lensman: Good point, non-standard designs. One unanswered question is: Since the GP hull requires a "motor" constantly running to reinforce the molecular bonds, how can a GP hull be cut in half and still have both halves stable?
[14:55] #knownspace> Lensman: Not sure you'd need glue. In "Grendel", Margo the pilot wouldn't take her ship into hyperspace because there was another ship too near.
[14:56] #knownspace> CCulpepper: I meant to make the ship go into hyperspace to send it elsewhere, like in a fight. And if you took it too close to a sun, bye bye ship!
[14:57] #knownspace> Lensman: Was Tunesmith able to build new molecular-strengthening motors to attach to the parts of the GP hull cut away?
[14:57] #knownspace> Lensman: I guess he must have been, I don't see how the "glue" could do that. You need a power source!
[14:58] #knownspace> Lensman: But my point is that you could just activate a hyperdrive shunt next to the ship to flip it into hyperspace, you don't need to glue it to the hull.
[14:58] #knownspace> CCulpepper: oh. I see now!
[14:59] #knownspace> Lensman: Have you read /Destroyer of Worlds/?
[14:59] #knownspace> CCulpepper: Not yet. I will hopefully spend b-day money on books.
[15:00] #knownspace> Lensman: In my "Hyperspace Theory & Practice" article, I speculate that what the hyperdrive shunt does is wrap a "bubble" of normal, Einsteinian space around the spacecraft, and thrust that into hyperspace. That's confirmed in DOW.
[15:01] #knownspace> CCulpepper: Is that released in paperback yet?
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[15:05] #knownspace> Lensman: Nope, just came out last November.
[15:06] #knownspace> CCulpepper: Okay. Are any of the "new" books in PB yet?
[15:06] #knownspace> dmac44: Hi guys, did I miss much from last month's chat?

[15:06] #knownspace> nedry: today, i have run out of free toilet paper. it is a sad day...
[15:07] #knownspace> CCulpepper: Free TP?
[15:08] #knownspace> nedry: yeah. they switched facilities management companies where I work, and the had new toilet paper holders
[15:08] #knownspace> nedry: that wouldn't hold the old, bit toilet roll, so they gave it away.