Chat Log: December 1st, 2012

04:38:01 : <fredskuentz> Outsider: tell inxi "hey"
04:38:02 : <Outsider> fredskuentz: I'll pass that on when inxi is around.
04:42:12 : <fredskuentz> Outsider: tell gofffan "Welcome to your second monthly Larry Niven Chat"
04:42:13 : <Outsider> fredskuentz: I'll pass that on when gofffan is around.
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11:55:25 : <Akiraa> rocket propulsion link
11:55:26 : <Outsider> Akiraa: 30 Nov 03:21Z <fredskuentz> tell Akiraa wrong chat
14:28:15 : <fredskuentz> :)
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17:33:46 : <bandersnatch> splot
17:51:49 : <Akiraa> so can you do oil refining without actually burning fuel? say by just applying some form of industrial heat
17:51:56 : <Akiraa> from an electric power plant or nuclear plant
17:57:54 : <bandersnatch> refineries use process heat mostly. you have take that from a volcano or solar if you like.
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18:09:18 : <sean> !chuck
18:09:19 : <HAL9000> When writing "Romeo & Juliet" Shakespeare originally thought about Chuck Norris to play Romeo but in the end this could not happen because no poison could kill Chuck Norris. Ever. [score=6.364]
18:10:31 : <fredskuentz> !Larry
18:10:39 : <fredskuentz> :(
18:10:40 : <sean> Dont think that is a trigger
18:11:03 : <fredskuentz> if only
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18:11:27 : <andy> pretty sure we could make it one if wanted to
18:11:30 : <andy> Hi NickE
18:11:39 : <andy> !help
18:11:44 : <HAL9000> help: (13 Programs): bbs, botsnack, chucknorris, deepthoughts, dice, excuse, fortune, insult, roshambo, theyfightcrime, tube, twitter, weather (help <topic> for more info)
18:11:45 : <fredskuentz> 2 hours to CHAT
18:12:13 : <NickE> hi all, afk while we have dinner, back in a bit
18:36:48 : <NickE> back
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18:42:38 : <sean> hey nick
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18:48:56 : <NickE> hi Sean
18:50:26 : <NickE> in and out as am fiddling with that Rings of Orbis RPG that was mentioned on the list a few weeks back (due it's RW like structures - though they are more Halo/Orbitals
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19:04:02 : <NickE> hi mik
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19:11:16 : <fredskuentz> hey nick
19:11:19 : <fredskuentz> mik
19:11:24 : <NickE> hi Rob
19:11:26 : <NickE> Hi Frfed
19:11:41 : <NickE> (oh good typing off to a good start :-)
19:13:10 : <NickE> not read any new Niven since last month - still not had time to get to Bowl of Heaven
19:14:20 : <NickE> Saw a comment from Tim Atkinson (1st in ages) that Fate was good. Ought to pick it up really :-)
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19:16:11 : <sean> hi romm
19:16:14 : <sean> oops
19:16:17 : <sean> hi ronn
19:16:26 : <NickE> hi ronn
19:16:48 : <sean> closing up the laptop to head for the house. be back in 20-30
19:16:53 : <NickE> brb, got to get mt arse kicked on this rpg i'm fiddling with
19:16:57 : <NickE> k
19:18:44 : <NickE> HA! I just won my first fight (have lost teh previous 14 or so)
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19:23:03 : <andy> it's an invasion of mik-clones!
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19:30:59 : <RobBennett> Lensman pointed me to the existance of this group and suggested I try it. Do you guys know him?
19:31:26 : <NickE> oh yes we know teh Soobs of old :)
19:32:07 : <RobBennett> I figured he would have been around for a while! How do these chat sessions usually go? I heard Niven sometimes shows up.
19:32:49 : <NickE> Larry usually pops in for half an hour before his lunchtime
19:33:17 : <NickE> I think Lens was in teh last chat. There are 1st Sat of every month
19:34:29 : <RobBennett> I've agreed to help Lensman build his Known Space Concordance site. He's done a lot, and there is still a lot left to cover. What do you think of it?
19:35:59 : <NickE> Very comprehensive last time I looked (which was a while back)
19:40:33 : <RobBennett> I'd left off reading Niven for a while and recently came back with it. Started with Neutron Star and worked forward.
19:40:34 : <NickE> was it that long ago, or was that when he started putting it together?
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19:41:09 : <NickE> Hi DJ
19:41:16 : <RobBennett> I understand that some of the newer stories don't seem to read as well as the older ones did in some people's estimations. Is that the consensus here too?
19:41:22 : <Hippy> Hi, Nick!
19:41:29 : <fredskuentz> It's certainly mine
19:41:38 : <fredskuentz> be warned that Ed Lerner also chats here
19:41:44 : <fredskuentz> he's Larry's co-author
19:41:52 : <fredskuentz> of the later less readable works
19:41:53 : <fredskuentz> :)
19:41:59 : <NickE> Ed is often here more than Larry
19:42:22 : <Hippy> So, do we have a topic?
19:42:46 : <fredskuentz> REVOLUTION sucks?
19:42:50 : <NickE> I like the later works, though tend to agree that they don'r flow as easy as older ones
19:42:52 : <fredskuentz> LAST RESORT sucks?
19:42:56 : <Hippy> Although comparisons of the older and ndwer stories seems like a good one
19:43:07 : <RobBennett> I was more commenting on things like Ringworld Throne and Ringworld's Children rather than the "of Worlds" books being developed now
19:43:19 : <fredskuentz> I'm still struggling to finish FATE OF WORLDS
19:43:51 : <NickE> thing is, if Larry still wrote the same way as he did 40 years ago, we may have got a bit fed up with it
19:43:55 : <fredskuentz> the very idea of me not sitting down and reading the final RINGWORLD novel in one bite is anathema
19:43:56 : <ronn> Computers -- Teh principle cause of adult-onset Tourette's syndrome . . .
19:43:58 : <RobBennett> I had a devil of a time completing Ringworld Throne recently
19:44:05 : <NickE> Not got to Fate yet (will be a while)
19:44:31 : <NickE> Throne was a difficult one and probably where the change in style was most apparent
19:44:53 : <NickE> but then it had been many years since Engineers
19:44:56 : <Hippy> I'd agree there
19:45:10 : <Hippy> Nonetheless, I hae read it several times
19:45:52 : <ronn> I have lots of pages flagged in Bowl of Heaven, which has to go back to the library this week . . .
19:46:02 : <Hippy> I read a review on Amazon abut 'Children' being 'nearly unreadable' in its later parts, but it makes sense if you consider that the narrator, or Louis anyway, has to appear super-intelligent
19:46:10 : <NickE> Children was closer in feel to the first 2, but rattled along so fast and introduced so many new ideas
19:46:33 : <Hippy> But that's what reading Niven is all about
19:46:36 : <NickE> Yeah, that was hard work as it *was* so damn quick
19:46:57 : <NickE> oh definitley new ideas = good
19:47:13 : <fredskuentz> Children is unreadable long before Louis goes Pak
19:47:14 : <RobBennett> If I could ask Larry one question, it would be "why so many 10 syllable names?" :)
19:47:17 : <Hippy> I must get 'Bowl of Heaven'
19:47:29 : <NickE> not got to Bowl yet, but at least have it on the shelf waiting
19:47:52 : <NickE> Had to get Bowl (not least cos of the title origin :-)
19:48:12 : <Hippy> I thnk it'll be a KIndle job for me. I'm not reading too well these days :(
19:48:53 : <NickE> you can ask him if he shows up - should be anytime in teh next hour if he's available and in teh mood
19:49:20 : <RobBennett> I'm sure it's been asked before!
19:49:52 : <RobBennett> What is Bowl about? I'm not familiar with the title.
19:50:02 : <ronn> So presumably no one wants me to start on my questions . . . :-)
19:50:55 : <Hippy> Well, if you say 'spoler aloert' first. . .
19:51:26 : <Hippy> 'Spoiler alert', I mean
19:51:34 : <fredskuentz> Outsider: tell ronn "spoiler alert"
19:51:35 : <Outsider> fredskuentz: I'll pass that on when ronn is around.
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19:51:53 : <UncleNasty> hey all
19:51:58 : <UncleNasty> hi Outsider
19:51:59 : <Outsider> Morning UncleNasty
19:52:29 : <Hippy> Okay, this is getting creepy
19:52:42 : <ronn> Most of 'em are really for Larry, anyway :-)
19:52:43 : <Outsider> ronn: 19:51Z <fredskuentz> tell ronn "spoiler alert"
19:52:44 : <Hippy> Good to see you again, UncleN
19:52:45 : <fredskuentz> did I leave my webcam on again?
19:52:58 : <UncleNasty> hey hippy
19:53:16 : <UncleNasty> what's creepy?
19:53:40 : <Hippy> Chatting with the bot
19:53:43 : <ronn> I was able to interpret that . . . :-D
19:54:00 : <NickE> Hi Neil!
19:54:07 : <andy> Babylon 5 was great (except season 5)
19:54:08 : <UncleNasty> hey nick
19:54:37 : <ronn> Be a lot easier to rip those things if they came pre-perforated . . .
19:54:51 : <UncleNasty> i definitely blame the threatened cancellation for the poor finish in season 5
19:55:17 : <RobBennett> The movies didn't generally help much either. Blame TNT for getting fingers in things.
19:55:24 : <andy> UncleNasty: IIRC, they were actually supposed to only run for four season, and got unexpectedly renewed for a fifth...
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19:56:14 : <NickE> wb
19:56:16 : <UncleNasty> hey sean
19:56:32 : <NickE> just going to get a couple of beers, brb
19:56:41 : <UncleNasty> iirc they didn't find out about season 5 going ahead until well into season4, which meant it blew the story arc
19:57:13 : <Hippy> It had a story arc?
19:57:19 : <Hippy> Hi, Sean
19:57:28 : <UncleNasty> but that aside, I still like the show
19:57:45 : <RobBennett> So, what is Bowl of Heaven about?
19:58:20 : <sean> dont know. I am not allowed to buy any Niven books during the holiday season
19:59:17 : <UncleNasty> sounds like a partial dyson sphere
19:59:27 : <Hippy> Pottery, I think
19:59:33 : <UncleNasty> for a second there I was thinking it was the golf-ball-world concept
19:59:45 : <NickE> sorta, the working title was Wok World
19:59:48 : <Hippy> What's that?
20:00:06 : <Hippy> I mean, the golf ball world
20:00:11 : <NickE> oh Dimple World
20:00:43 : <UncleNasty> the golf-ball one? you make a complete dyson sphere in static position around a star and [ut golf-ball type dimples in it so they are deep enough for the surface-G you want and terraform the interior
20:00:44 : <NickE> that was a BDT (big damn thing) that the list came up with years back
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20:00:56 : <dmac44> Hi guys.
20:01:11 : <UncleNasty> that was it- blanked on 'dimple'
20:01:12 : <sean> hey dmac
20:01:28 : <Hippy> Hi, dmac
20:01:45 : <Hippy> Ah. . .the dimples being on the inside?
20:01:53 : <UncleNasty> dimpleworld lets you have tens of throusands of distinct biomes separated by vacuum and supported by the star's full power output captured by the dyson sphere
20:01:59 : <UncleNasty> the dimples face the stars
20:02:31 : <NickE> a Dyson sphere of radius small eough that surface G was about Earth normal but lots of Dimples on the surface deep enough to have seperate atmosheres and ecosystems - a bit like teh zoo planet in MKW 2
20:02:32 : <Hippy> Ah, of course. The sphere doesn't rotoate
20:02:57 : <RobBennett> What happens to a dyson sphere when the star transistions to Red Giant or goes super nova?
20:03:17 : <Hippy> Depends how tough the sphere is.
20:03:19 : <NickE> we even worked out a mirror system using holes in teh dimples to let sunlight out and reflect back down
20:03:44 : <UncleNasty> like a reflector telescope arrangement
20:03:59 : <Hippy> Iris the holes so you can have a day night cycle. Hmmm
20:04:19 : <dmac44> What happens to a dyson sphere when the star transistions to Red Giant or goes super nova? Turns into Wokworld. :)
20:04:22 : <NickE> it would probably come undre the Bog Smart Object dscription of the Bowl (ie dynamically maintained)
20:04:45 : <NickE> cos all that energy would originally at least be intended for some use
20:04:45 : <UncleNasty> heh. every dimple has a cori-celesti style spire in the middle for the sun-port
20:05:05 : <UncleNasty> brb - she-who-must-be-obeyed needs help
20:05:14 : <NickE> Was it Steve Sloan that did some basic graphics to show this?
20:05:22 : <sean> I think so
20:05:32 : <NickE> may vene have those on teh old PC somewhere
20:06:08 : <dmac44> I may have missed it but how is gravity provided?
20:06:21 : <NickE> (@dmac hehe yeah, thatd do it :-)
20:06:29 : <NickE> the star
20:07:03 : <NickE> the shel is small enough to give 1g at surface level (or a bit below) Insulation would be...challenging
20:07:44 : <Hippy> Yeah, how far are you from the sun to get 1g?
20:07:52 : <NickE> stil bloody big but not like 1 AU big
20:08:06 : <Hippy> Of course, you don't need a G-type start, any star would do
20:08:07 : <NickE> cant remember. SOmeone did the math and worked it out
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20:08:43 : <Hippy> Hi, Larry
20:08:44 : <NickE> Hi Larry!
20:08:47 : <dmac44> Hi Larry
20:08:51 : <ronn> Surface gravity of Sol is about 28 Earth gravities, if that helps . . . .
20:09:01 : <Larry> Hi all. What's up?
20:09:08 : <andy> "surface" of a star is kind of hard to pin down, ronn
20:09:11 : <ronn> Hi, Larry!
20:09:14 : <UncleNasty> back
20:09:20 : <andy> hi Larry
20:09:37 : <Hippy> We're discussing this 'dimpleworld' Really Big Thing
20:09:40 : <NickE> talking very big things
20:09:41 : <UncleNasty> hey larry!
20:09:50 : <NickE> funnily enough :-)
20:09:56 : <Larry> easiest to talk about the photosphere when you're not after something specific.
20:09:58 : <Hippy> Dyson shell with dimples on the outside
20:10:16 : <NickE> life in teh dimples surface G about 1.0
20:10:48 : <NickE> we came up with this on the lists many years back if you remember
20:10:55 : <Hippy> And thus, 'What is the radius of the shell?' and then you cam eon, Larry
20:11:18 : <Larry> I'm familiar with Dimpleworld, but have little to contribute.
20:11:52 : <NickE> been a while: this had all been worked out but we never went any further with it other than a fun idea to kick about
20:12:04 : <ronn> True, but whatever is designated as "1 solar radius" from the center, then use g=GMm/r² for a "test particle" of unit mass m . . .
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20:12:40 : <Larry> build it around a wretched little red dwarf. Photocells line the inside. Electric sunlights wherever you want crops. Builders are nocturnal.
20:13:32 : <NickE> yea, thats the beuaty, works with any star, but rubbish stors probably easier to deal with
20:13:42 : <Hippy> Ronn, how did you get that 2 superscripted like that?
20:13:56 : <NickE> stable, not too hot, but plenty of energy for DW needs
20:14:14 : <fredskuentz> Welcome, Larry
20:14:47 : <Larry> if you want 1g, the center has to be too cool to broil you.
20:15:05 : <NickE> and of course you showed us how it could be turned into a spaceship (flare the star, have a hole)
20:15:36 : <andy> if you don't want to go fast, you don't even need to flare the star
20:15:58 : <andy> light pressure would be enough if you're willing to wait a long time to get anywhere
20:16:01 : <RobBennett> Would you build a dyson with a variable-diameter shell to allow for changes based on star activity over time?
20:16:03 : <NickE> yeah,youd have to consider it an active object using all that energy andnot overheating
20:16:14 : <ronn> Alt-0178 on the Num pad in anything which recognizes 8-bit extended ASCII characters. Some other way if everything fully recognizes Unicode (which not everything does, even now . . . )
20:16:27 : <Larry> andy, I don't think the shell will keep up with the star. need mag fields.
20:16:38 : <NickE> An open structure variant with th dimples as discrete sections would help
20:16:48 : <andy> and a completely different way if you're using Linux :)
20:17:12 : <Hippy> I should've thoguht of that , Ronn. Thanks
20:17:13 : <NickE> but if you've managed to build teh shell, that probably is a pre-requisite
20:17:28 : <ronn> "discreet dimples"? Sounds somewhat suggestive . . .
20:18:00 : <andy> Larry: ....I don't remember enough physics to even begin to do the physics on what would happen as the star moved relative to the shell...
20:18:07 : <Hippy> To me, too, but it's very eadly here
20:18:34 : <NickE> In fact, that's how to build it. Start with a non rotating ring and expand ina geodesic manner, adding new habitats as required
20:18:37 : <ronn> "eadly"?
20:19:03 : <Larry> guys, there's no net grav pull on a Dyson shell. Easy proof.
20:19:34 : <Hippy> Sorry, I meant 'early'
20:19:44 : <NickE> yep, so you'd need to actively keep teh star centred if you use it for thrust
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20:20:26 : <Hippy> Hi, xenax
20:20:34 : <NickE> Hi Frank
20:20:42 : <senax> Hello. Pretty good turnout this month.
20:20:55 : <NickE> yarp
20:22:00 : <Larry> Then why the silence?
20:22:15 : <Hippy> Shocked awe?
20:22:22 : <NickE> probably should read Bowl before discussing this further as I'm betting you've already covered some of this there
20:22:23 : <sean> Hopefully everyone is typing a long statement
20:22:41 : <UncleNasty> according to Shadow in American Gods, it's because it was 20 after the hour ;-)
20:22:43 : <NickE> (it's next on my list to read)
20:23:09 : <NickE> heh, good book that odd, but good
20:23:10 : <Larry> Nick: so you're speedreading Bowl and willl gat back to us?
20:23:23 : <NickE> i wish!
20:23:24 : <Hippy> LOL
20:24:02 : <NickE> well, we probably can carry on really :-)
20:24:18 : <Hippy> Well, I was thinking about the guy in 'INferno' who speaks Newspeak
20:24:26 : <ronn> So did it ever almost end up being titled "Bound for Glory"? :-D
20:24:33 : <NickE> ronn has read it I think
20:24:38 : <Hippy> He's complaning about his robe in the city of Dis when Benito and Allen come in to get robes
20:24:45 : <NickE> I'm behind in my reading
20:24:58 : <SolBelter> I just finished Bowl - loved it, listening to others comment:)
20:25:25 : <sean> Well, don't comment too much. I have not read it. ;)
20:25:28 : <Larry> It never did. Greg wanted "Shipstar" so it came second after "Bowl". We did do some dithering, though.
20:26:32 : <UncleNasty> apparently I'm not alowed to buy it. i'm guessing it's ordered for xmas
20:26:35 : <SolBelter> Sean, that's why I was quiet
20:26:52 : <NickE> brb
20:27:03 : <ronn> Reread it this week and marked all the points I had questions about. Dunno how many of 'em are actually spoilers, but would probably make little sense to anyone who hadn't read it yet.
20:27:13 : <sean> thanks. I am not allowed to buy Niven books during the holidays.
20:27:16 : <Hippy> Me, too. That's the second pigeon that has hit the side of the house. So something's up
20:28:34 : <dmac44> Hippy: Dinner? :)
20:29:00 : <ronn> "Shipstar" is pretty good, too.
20:29:02 : <ronn> Will that be the end of the story, or do we have to wait for a third or subsequent volume to find out what happens?
20:29:12 : <fredskuentz> too eadly for dinner
20:29:56 : <ronn> @Hippy: Have you checked their legs for message capsules? :-D
20:30:20 : <SolBelter> Ronn, I noticed varient times since last arrivals at Bowl ... (save til others read, to continue discussion)
20:31:04 : <UncleNasty> @Hippy: careful. if it's ads for cheap viagra you're on a spam-pigeon list somewhere
20:31:11 : <Hippy> Dmac, toasty pigeon breakfast, but it had flown away by the time I got out there
20:31:25 : <dmac44> LOL
20:32:07 : <Hippy> LOL
20:32:27 : <Hippy> It's borad daylight and no wind. So I think spam is the reason
20:32:46 : <Hippy> . . .and of course I'm only assuming it was a pigeon this morning because it was one last night
20:32:59 : <Larry> two volumes. we swear.
20:34:04 : <ronn> I probably need to type up a list of questions with page numbers before it has to go back to the library (sorry: disability doesn't allow for many not-absolutely-essential purchases) probably Tuesday (that's the day I figure I will try to go out for errands) and save the list for later . . .
20:34:05 : <sean> two volumes for shipstar or bowl?
20:34:28 : <ronn> Thanks, Larry.
20:34:37 : <senax> I'm getting a little behind…haven't got Bowl yet and I'm only 3/4 of the way through Fate of Worlds.
20:34:45 : <Larry> one Bowl, one Shipstar.
20:34:59 : <sean> ok
20:35:10 : <SolBelter> Vol 3: Recipes from Bowlworld
20:35:34 : <NickE> well it was Wok WOrld for a while ;-)
20:35:44 : <Larry> :)
20:35:47 : <andy> Ingredients: 15 solar masses of flour, 3 solar masses of butter...
20:36:01 : <ronn> It was so interesting I hated to find out I'll have to wait for another volume to find out what happens.
20:36:03 : <dmac44> lol
20:36:06 : <SolBelter> :)
20:38:32 : <sean> I will probably have to wait until christmas afternoon before having a chance to read fate or bowl.
20:39:42 : <Hippy> Yes, but until then, there must be other things to type about
20:41:30 : <Hippy> It's like coughing in a library here :)
20:41:36 : <sean> trying desperately to come up with something.
20:42:21 : <sean> recently reread grendle from Neutron Star.
20:42:33 : <Larry> we've had several days of barely sensed rain here in LA NW.
20:42:38 : <Hippy> Well, if fictional characters or characters from fiction can turn up in Hell, then any of Allen Carpentier's creations culd, too, presuming they were sinful enough
20:42:58 : <sean> are Grogs really de-evolved Slavers and if so how did they survive suicide night?
20:43:16 : <UncleNasty> we've had -5c and heavy frost today. It's very pretty but absolutely sucks to walk in
20:43:42 : <Larry> true, Hippy, but did you find fictional characters in Hell? (barring Devil, Minotaurs, etc.)
20:43:45 : <Hippy> Torrential rain here on Friday night
20:44:07 : <UncleNasty> didn't we argue out that it could be because they were matrilineal and the slaver females were non-sentient
20:44:16 : <Larry> I dither regarding Grogs.
20:44:19 : <ronn> American Standard humo(u)r warning . . . A wide courrogated organic-appearing tube several astronomical units long, wrapped around a star almost in a square except that instead of the ends joining up about midway through the last side it bends outward about at a right angle and narrows somewhat toward an opening that emits exhaust as peristalic waves move longitudinally along...
20:44:22 : <ronn> ...the tube . . . yes, friends it's the justly infamous "Bowel of Heaven" . . .
20:44:23 : <Hippy> Yes, the man who complained about his robe spoke Newspeak. "Double plus ungood"
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20:44:42 : <andy> sean: they had been knocked unconcious at the time...being unconcious, they were unable to receive the suicide signal (and had they received it, would not have been able to carry out the instruction)
20:44:48 : <NickE> <groan>
20:44:52 : <Lensman> Hi fen!
20:44:58 : <Lensman> Hi Rob, glad you could make it!
20:44:59 : <NickE> hey Lens
20:45:05 : <RobBennett> Thanks
20:45:10 : <dmac44> Hi Lens.
20:45:27 : <NickE> Rob did you ask your question?
20:45:28 : <SolBelter> hi Lens
20:45:30 : <ronn> Hi, Lens!
20:45:52 : <Hippy> Hi Lens
20:45:54 : <fredskuentz> hey lens
20:45:54 : <Lensman> Dunno if Rob said so, but he volunteered to help out with the Known Space Concordance!
20:46:00 : <NickE> aye
20:46:25 : <Hippy> Very nice of you, Rob
20:46:42 : <sean> andy, I can accept that reason.
20:46:43 : <RobBennett> No. Larry, this is a stupid question, but I was wondering from a writer's perspective why you used such long syllabic names in Ringworld Throne. Was there a particular reason?
20:47:05 : <Larry> concordance: yay! I'm too lazy to do it myself.
20:47:06 : <Lensman> Hopefully that will motivate me to apply my nose to the same grindstone. I've neglected that too long.
20:48:07 : <NickE> Lens how long have you been working on that?
20:48:41 : <Larry> Names are always a problem for me, if not for all writers. Sometimes I get something eight. See FOOTFALL: everything there is intentional.
20:49:09 : <Larry> Lens, am I getting ahead of you?
20:49:44 : <Lensman> Larry: Uh... if I say "Yes" will you slow down? No. NO NO NO NO NO!
20:49:52 : <NickE> :-)
20:50:14 : <Lensman> First date in the Concordance is April 27, 2007.
20:50:36 : <Lensman> But seriously, Larry... between you and Ed, you're putting out material much faster than I'm indexing it.
20:50:41 : <RobBennett> Thanks, Larry.
20:51:15 : <Lensman> I confess I've done pretty much nothing for the past year. As I said, hopefully the new blood (Hir, Rob!) will motivate me to actually do something this coming year.
20:51:39 : <Lensman> (That was supposed to be "Hi, Rob!)
20:51:55 : <RobBennett> @lensman: that's where I come in. I'm going to help pick up the slack at least for the in-between stuff (between old and most recent products)
20:52:08 : <NickE> shiny
20:53:45 : <UncleNasty> crap I have to go walk the dog. I leave this for your perusal
20:53:48 : <UncleNasty> back soon
20:54:13 : <Lensman> Gosh, it's been 5-1/2 years, and I've hardly gotten a good start. *sigh* I really need to flip to a smaller magnification on the microscope.
20:55:00 : <NickE> (popping back and forth between here and here ( - RPG based on modified RWs - most like Ian Banks' Orbitals as far as I can make out without reading teh Softwire books
20:55:28 : <NickE> later Neil
20:55:46 : <Lensman> Don't think I've read anything by Ian Banks.
20:55:54 : <Lensman> Any good?
20:56:30 : <NickE> Quite like a lot of it. Very large scale SF, great ideas and he's a good writer, though some is less easy to get through
20:57:17 : <NickE> but, yes, the Culture books are worth reading and The Algebraist (not a Culture book) is great. Nit read any of his mainstream stuff though
20:57:59 : <Lensman> Mainstream? Are they still publishing that? ;-0
20:58:08 : <NickE> heh
20:58:19 : <NickE> apparently
20:59:01 : <Lensman> Rob: Have you started on PROTECTOR yet?
20:59:22 : <ronn> FWIW, it's "Iain M. Banks"
20:59:26 : "gofffan" joined the channel.
20:59:34 : <sean> hi goffan
20:59:38 : <RobBennett> Started the review process. It's only been about two weeks since I read it, so it's still fresh in my mind. One of my favorite books!
20:59:40 : <gofffan> Hey sean
20:59:41 : <Outsider> gofffan: 04:42Z <fredskuentz> tell gofffan "Welcome to your second monthly Larry Niven Chat"
20:59:41 : <Hippy> I was reading the other day that the top-selling e-book made $500 000 and the top-selling conventional book made $50 million, so yep, there's still mainstream oiut there
20:59:54 : <NickE> when hes writing SF anyway. Plain Ian BAnks for mainstream stuff
21:00:15 : <Lensman> "Review process" means what?
21:00:36 : <Lensman> Anyway, sounds like I picked a good project for you, if you only read it 2 weeks ago!
21:00:41 : <sean> Rob, one of my favorites as well.
21:00:54 : <NickE> absolutely one of my faves
21:00:56 : <RobBennett> Methodically going through page by page and pulling details out that are worth putting in the concordance
21:01:12 : <ronn> My point was it's "Iain" not "Ian", in case you are searching for him on-line . . .
21:01:15 : <fredskuentz> Hi, Richard, glad you could make it :)
21:01:23 : <Lensman> Oh, okay. I thought you said you were doing the summary first. But that's fine, either way.
21:01:26 : <gofffan> finally!
21:01:34 : <NickE> oh, yeah, well typos are my middle name here
21:01:47 : <NickE> hi gofffan
21:02:00 : <Hippy> Hi, gofffan
21:02:02 : <gofffan> Nick, good to be back.
21:02:06 : <gofffan> Hippy!
21:02:09 : <RobBennett> I thought I'd do both together
21:02:28 : <ronn> "Ian" _is_ the more common spelling . . .
21:02:59 : <NickE> aye well hes Scottish :-)
21:03:01 : <Lensman> Do both together: Wish I could split my concentration like that!
21:03:05 : <Hippy> I ran into an 'Eoin' in New Zealand
21:03:39 : <Lensman> I'm lousy at multi-tasking.
21:03:40 : <NickE> We have an Eoghan worjing on clinical trails
21:04:16 : <NickE> (Irish clinician)
21:04:23 : <sean> then there is Euan down in New Zealand
21:04:47 : <NickE> Lots of variants it seems
21:04:48 : "Louis_Wu" joined the channel.
21:04:56 : <sean> Hi Louis
21:04:58 : <Louis_Wu> walks off the stepping disk
21:05:07 : <NickE> Welcome Louis!
21:05:12 : <Louis_Wu> Salutations!
21:05:17 : <NickE> </Speaker>
21:05:20 : <Hippy> Well, Euan would be 'Ewen', wouldn't it?
21:05:21 : <Louis_Wu> Hi sean, Nick
21:05:24 : <Lensman> Greetings, Flatlander.
21:05:33 : <NickE> brb
21:06:40 : <ronn> Just in case anyone wondered about the color scheme I'm using today, it's expressing my (doubtless unsurprising) preference in a[n American] football game that's about to start . . .
21:07:07 : <sean> I am about to flip to it
21:07:15 : <Lensman> Ronn, I'm seeing boldface but not a different color for your text.
21:07:35 : <Hippy> Not the Superbowl? I thought that was in January
21:07:40 : <sean> his text is backgrounded in Alabama Crimson
21:07:41 : <Akiraa> hello
21:07:59 : <Hippy> Hi, Akiraa
21:08:00 : <Lensman> Welcome Akiraa!
21:08:07 : <ronn> Well, I'm just glad something is going through . . .
21:08:16 : <Louis_Wu> Greetings Akiraa
21:08:26 : <andy> Hippy: Superbowl is in February next year - falls on my wife's birthday.
21:08:44 : <andy> (fortunately for me, neither she nor I care for the sport)
21:08:55 : <Hippy> Ah. So, what's the game for today, then?